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Started by Sheila King
Thu, 07 Jan 1993 01:44
RE: STUDENT TEACHING
Author: Sheila King
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 01:44
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 01:44
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Brian,
Just a comment on a note you made to Eileen Buast about classroom
management:
-> Everyone else will probably disagree with me about this, but I think
-> you should banish the idea of "classroom management" from your mind.
-> If you are thinking in those terms, then in effect you are starting
-> out with the presupposition that what goes on in the classroom is a
-> sort of competition between you and the kids, in which their goal is
-> to be disruptive and yours is to maintain order.
I think you are confusing the term "classroom management" with the idea
of discipline. Classroom management is a much broader term, which may
include such ideas, as how you collect and grade papers, how you arrange
your students desks (the books I recommended in the last message suggest
two U-shaped rows--very different from the traditional "rows"), etc,
etc...
As a student teacher she NEEDS to know these little things. She will
feel ever so much more confident with little hints and suggestions to
try out and find out what exactly works for her in her classroom with
her group of students, rather than fumbling around and frustrated.
Even for discipline, which is rarely something I occupy myself with, a
few hints before entering the classroom could be a big help.
Sheila
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
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Re: STUDENT TEACHING
Author: Brian Harvey
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:20
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:20
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Sheila,
Although I haven't read the books you mentioned, anything with "Every
Minute Counts" in the title *has* to start teachers out on the wrong
foot, even if it's full of good practical ideas.
Every minute *doesn't* count, not in the way they mean. John Holt points
out that when a kid is out of school for a long time because of extended
illness or something, the school sometimes sends around a home teacher
for a few hours a week, and those few hours are enough to keep the kid
caught up.
This time management business comes from the metaphor of school as factory,
turning the classroom into a sort of assembly line in which knowledge is
poured into kids. That metaphor has been completely discredited time and
again, but idiot politicians (and evil business persons) keep reviving it.
Let me recommend the book _Education and the Cult of Efficiency_ by
Raymond E. Callahan (Univ of Chicago Press, 1962) for a good debunking of
the whole "every minute counts" approach to education.
You say that a student teacher needs little tricks to feel at ease in
the classroom. I say the opposite! If you tell a student teacher that
Every Minute Counts, how can that teacher -- or the kids -- possibly
ever feel at ease? "Oh no, Johnny's looking out the window, a golden
minute is being wasted!" Luckily that whole idea is nonsense. If you
can get a kid to have and enjoy the mathematician's sort of curiosity
about how things fit together, then the kid will manage to learn all the
details one way or another. If not, all the Golden Minutes in the world
won't help.
Instead of reading about golden minutes, student teachers should read
the best book ever written about teaching: _How to Survive in Your
Native Land_ by James Herndon (Simon & Schuster, 1971). In particular,
Chapter VIII ("The Stream of Life") is a good antidote to the Golden
Minute approach that makes student teachers so nervous.
Re: STUDENT TEACHING
Author: I am a terminator.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:25
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:25
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In article <1ikgl4$t8h@agate.berkeley.edu>, bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
|> Sheila,
|>
|> Although I haven't read the books you mentioned, anything with "Every
|> Minute Counts" in the title *has* to start teachers out on the wrong
|> foot, even if it's full of good practical ideas.
|>
|> Every minute *doesn't* count, not in the way they mean. John Holt points
|> out that when a kid is out of school for a long time because of extended
|> illness or something, the school sometimes sends around a home teacher
|> for a few hours a week, and those few hours are enough to keep the kid
|> caught up.
I was talking to a friend who works for a mining company. His salary is
such that the cost of picking up a dropped paper clip exceeds the cost of
the clip. To save money, the clip should be ignored. Of course, this
argument hardly reflects reality. He is paid for his results, but he
is not expected to work at a constant pace to achieve them. I doubt that
one works best by working at a constant pace, but I don't know the optimum
work-time relation.
--
Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs This has been brought to
Rolls over your neighbor's dog? you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back? and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log! -- "The Log Song", from -- Big Bird
Ren & Stimpy
Math is tough! -- Barbie
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