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8 total messages Started by Ed Conrad Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:28
MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#908
Author: Ed Conrad
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 02:28
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The evolution of man:  Greatest conspiracy against truth
in the history of science.

================================================

>                    ~~   MAN AS OLD AS COAL   ~~
>    (Evolution in Trouble in the Wake of Startling New Evidence)           

 ================================================

>             ALL SPECIMENS FOUND BETWEEN
>           PENNSYLVANIA'S ANTHRACITE VEINS 
> (Strata geologically dated at a minimum of 280 million years)

This specimen was identified as a petrified human cranium,
a skull with the eyesockets broken off, by the late Dr. Wilton
Krogman, one of the world's leading human anatomists and author
of "The Human Skeleton in Forensic Medicine."

He is shown examining it in the second photo. Moments after the photo
was taken, a medical doctor walked into the room at the Cooper Clinic
in Lancaster, Pa., and Krogman invited him over to see "the oldest
human skull ever found."

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/krogwskull.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-007S.JPG

A CATscan of the above specimen revealed a second protrusion
that isn't visible to the naked eye. It is located precisely
where it would be expected to be found in a human cranium.
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

This specimen also had tested positive for the presence of Haversian
canals under microscopic scrutiny. Additionally, American Medical
Laboratories in Chantilly, Va., performed testing of calculus analysis
by crystallography and revealed that it contains "a composition of
dried blood intermingled with a few small crystals resembling calcium
oxalate dihydrate."

That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-012S.JPG

=============================================

Another petrified human skull -- this one embedded in a boulder
that weighs some 3,000 pounds. It was found within 100 feet of
the previous skull and a year later, also having come from between
anthracite veins in Schuylkill County, Pa.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skulla.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skullb.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/other1.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z2_2.jpg

When the Smithsonian examined the photograph, Raymond Rye,
musem specialist, replied in writing: "The object ... does resemble
the outline of a human skull ... We must  do a microscopic study
of the outer grind to determine if it has the structure of bone."

The Smithsonian was sent granules, then replied: "X-ray analysis
of the material reveals it to be quartz, the most abundatnt material
of thee earth's crust. So, although the enigmatic object exposed
in the boulder may resemble a hominid skull, its mineral compostion
is definiately not that of bone."

The fact is, "x-ray analysis" is not an appropriate test to determine
cellular structure, not a test to determine whether an object is bone.

Later, a  microcopic photo of granules removed from the specimen
revealed the presence of Haversian canals.

> http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/proof1.jpg

====================================================

A petrified human femur still in shale, a near-cousin to coal, which
also had been removed from between anthracite veins. Portions of
the bulb ends have broken off.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z8femur.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z6femur.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/z7femur.jpg

=====================================================

This specimen was identified as a portion of a tibia by Wilton
Krogman, one of the world's most respected experts on human bone.
It contains Haversian canals, the telltale sign of bone.

Andrew Macrae, then of Calgary University, had performed fraudulent
testing for cellular structure. For his test results, he had shown the
cell structure of a meticulously prepared ground section that had been
prepared from a rock or concretion.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/newtibia.jpg

A scanning electronic microscope (SEM) was used to examine
the inner surface features of this specimen to compare it with
cadaver bone at the same power magnification. Here are the
SEM photos at 2,000X.

> http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/bones.jpg

(They would look incredibly similiar if the grains were lying the same
way in the photos.)

This is the same specimen that Andrew Macrae played fraudulent games
with. He then posted photos of ground sections on his web page,
claiming they were views of the cellular structure of the specimen and
insisting it wasn't bone because no circles (Haversian canals) could
be found.

However, the photo beneath it taken later shows it DOES
contain circles -- Haversian canals --- and, therefore, IS petrified
bone.

It was just one of several fraudulent scientific and/or deceiving
tests conducted on some of these specimens by members
of the Scientifiic Establishment.

he photo on the left in the following URL is what Macrae posted. The
next two show what a ground section really looks like.

> http://www.edconrad.com/canals/ts_compare1.jpg
> http://edconrad.com/canals/slide1.jpg
> http://www.edconrad.com/canals/0505160x.jpg

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories had performed calculus
analysis by crystallography on this particular specimen and reported
that it "consisted predominately of dried blood and protein."
That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-006S.JPG

==============================================

An assorment of miscellaneous specimens, primarily portions of
petrified mandibles (jaw bones), found between the same coal veins:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-001S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-002S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-003S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-004S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-005S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-007S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-008S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-009S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-010S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-011S.JPG

==============================================

A human lung, petrified:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-015S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-018S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-019S.JPG

(For comparison, check Grey's Anatomy.)
============================================

A pair of petrified fetuses. The large one, which has been
transformed to a coal-like substance, measures 6 1/2 inches
in length.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-010S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-011S.JPG

=============================================

A petrified gall bladder, with a CATscan later revealling the
presence of a gall stone inside.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z5gall.jpg

This is one of the specimens that was tested by American
Medical Laboratories via calculus analysis by crystallography.

It revealed the specimen "consists of a few small pieces of dried
blood," adding that "none of the constituents normally found
in urinary calculi are present." (which comes as no surprise since
the specimen it tested is petrified).

That report follows:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-010S.JPG

=============================================

Portion of dinosaur foot embedded in anthracite-bearing shale:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-012S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-013S.JPG

============================================

This was the very first discovery of petrified bone in coal-bearing
Carboniferous strata in June 1981.

It resembled a giant skull and the Smithsonian expressd an interest in
examining it personally. However, its experts dismissed it as a rock
or concretion without any testing whatsoever.

Worse of all, neither of its three "experts" -- an anthropologist, a
paleontologist nor a geologist -- mentioned tht a microscopic study
of cell structure would accurately identify whether it is bone.

(This was later done and the Haversian canals can be seen.)

Later, a pair of petrified teeth -- a premolar and a canine -- were
found inside the jaw area. One was subjected to an infrared scan which
revealed its origin, at the suggestion of Krogman, to determine if it
a bone or tooth.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/first.jpg

The premolar that was found inside the jaw area:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-014S.JPG

============================================

A petrified handcrafted wooden handle, which has been transformed
to anthracite, found between coal veins.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-001S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-002S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-004S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG

============================================

A portion of petrified bone still in slate (or shale), near cousin of
coal, that confirms the bone is older than the material in which
it is embedded:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-014S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-015S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-018S.JPG

============================================

A giant canine tooth, found between the same coal veins:

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-009S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-007S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-008S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-010S.JPG

(Please note that I dropped it on thesidewalk and broke off
the tip, which still fits back almost perfectly.)

These specimens and the honest testing results prove, beyond
the shadow of a doubt, that man and large land animals existed
while coal was being formed.

This is NOT theory and rhetoric, which is what the pseudoscientists
have used to brainwash the common man. It is physical evidence,
which is what science is supposed to be all about.

==================================================

> PORTION OF A GIANT PREHISTORIC SCORPION
>                               (Petrified)
>          Discovered Between Anthracite Veins

This is a portion of a giant prehistoric scorpion that was
identified as such by none other than the late Wilton M.
Krogman, one of the world's foremost authorities on anatomy
-- human and non-human -- and author of "The Human
Skeleton in Forensic Medicine."

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-022S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-021S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-016S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-017S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-019S.JPG

Krogman explained that he was able to identify it because he
had done extensive research disecting scorpions while attending
college, therefore was *absolutely certain* what it is.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-002S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-003S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-004S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-005S.JPG

This specimen originiated from between anthracite veins
in Pennsylvania's hard coal region -- in Schuylkill County --
and was found more than 20 years ago in two separate pieces
which fit together perfectly.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-006S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-007S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-008S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-009S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG

It must be emphasized that this particular specimen was the
subject of another cover-up by members of the Scientific
Establishment -- at one of America's most prestigious universities.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-011S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-012S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-013S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-014S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-015S.JPG

The discovery of the physical evidence of giant scorpions inhabiting
the earth during the time that anthracite was being formed -- along
with discoveries of petrified bones, teeth and even soft organs, some
human -- as well as a dinosaur foot embedded in shale in the same
strata means that men, giant scorpions and dinosaurs undoubtedly
existed together at one point multi-multi-millions of years ago.

> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-018S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG
> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-023S.JPG

Ed Conrad
> http://www.edconrad.com

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#909
Author: David Sienkiewicz
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:10
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edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed Conrad) wrote in message news:<3efbab10.18817396@news.shenhgts.net>...

< snip >

Oh, my! 

Ed, what is the deal?  Did my little challenge frighten you so much
that you ran from s.a.p. and talk.origins and now you want to spam
other newsgroups?

Well, Ed, you don't get off that easy.  

The fact is that all of your "evidence" has been refuted and your
"documentation" has been exposed as the lies that they are.

But you do have one opportunity to redeem yourself, and I gave it to
you here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=35fa3772.0306250135.409c9c56%40posting.google.com

In addition to that, I also offered that you should take a polygraph
test and that I would pay for that test.

Prior to the appearance of that message, you were ubiquitous in the
talk.origins and sci.anthropology.paleo newsgroups, as well as several
others - spamming them to death in response to Philip Deitiker's
whimperings.

But now, Ed, you don't seem to be anywhere to be found in those
newsgroups.  Instead, you're spamming other newsgroups.

Ed, if your rocks are what you say they are, you have nothing to fear;
and if your documentation isn't a congolmeration of lies, why don't
you accept my challenge?

Could it be because when push comes to shove, you truly ARE a coward,
a hypocrite and a liar?

What about it, Ed?
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#910
Author: David Sienkiewicz
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:52
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edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed Conrad) wrote in message news:<3efbab10.18817396@news.shenhgts.net>...
> The evolution of man:  Greatest conspiracy against truth
> in the history of science.
> 
> ================================================
> 
> >                    ~~   MAN AS OLD AS COAL   ~~
> >    (Evolution in Trouble in the Wake of Startling New Evidence)           
> 
>  ================================================

Well, of course, there's nothing "new" about this "evidence."  You've
been posting it for years.

Here's just one article that refutes it:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35fa3772.0306111624.39df8505%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

This article was written by me and, Ed, I'm the LEAST qualified to
refute you from the scientific standpoint.

Now, Ed, here's the most recent challenge from which you have been
running:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35fa3772.0306250135.409c9c56%40posting.google.com&output=gplain

I also sweetened the pot and offered to pay full costs of a polygraph
and, if any of the experts agree that any of your specimens are
genuine - even ONE of them - I said I'd get you that special on Fox.

If you were really that confident in your claims, you'd jump at this
chance.

So why are you running from it?

< snip >
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#903
Author: James J. Lippard
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:46
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That's a good challenge, David.

Of course, Ed has already been put to the test, and his theories found to be a load of nonsense.
He's a Grade A Net Kook.

http://homepage.mac.com/myers/misc/bone.html
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/t_origins/carbbones/carbbones.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/conrad.html
http://www.bibleandscience.com/conrad.htm

In article <35fa3772.0306271252.6e237072@posting.google.com>, David Sienkiewicz wrote:
> edconrad@shenhgts.net (Ed Conrad) wrote in message news:<3efbab10.18817396@news.shenhgts.net>...
>> The evolution of man:  Greatest conspiracy against truth
>> in the history of science.
>> 
>> ================================================
>> 
>> >                    ~~   MAN AS OLD AS COAL   ~~
>> >    (Evolution in Trouble in the Wake of Startling New Evidence)           
>> 
>>  ================================================
> 
> Well, of course, there's nothing "new" about this "evidence."  You've
> been posting it for years.
> 
> Here's just one article that refutes it:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35fa3772.0306111624.39df8505%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
> 
> This article was written by me and, Ed, I'm the LEAST qualified to
> refute you from the scientific standpoint.
> 
> Now, Ed, here's the most recent challenge from which you have been
> running:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35fa3772.0306250135.409c9c56%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
> 
> I also sweetened the pot and offered to pay full costs of a polygraph
> and, if any of the experts agree that any of your specimens are
> genuine - even ONE of them - I said I'd get you that special on Fox.
> 
> If you were really that confident in your claims, you'd jump at this
> chance.
> 
> So why are you running from it?
> 
>< snip >


-- 
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GPG Key ID: 0xF8D42CFE
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#904
Author: Larry Jandro
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:29
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On 27 Jun 2003, david.sienkiewicz@attbi.com (David Sienkiewicz)
tapped on a keyboard and the electrons formed this: 
[whatever...]

What the hell are you clowns doing in bc.general and az.general..?

Stay in your k12 playground.

-- 
  Larry Jandro - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
  Scottsdale, AZ, USA
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#905
Author: David Sienkiewicz
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:45
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"James J. Lippard" <lippard-usenet@discord.org> wrote in message news:<slrnbfpepj.u2o.lippard-usenet@chaos.discord.org>...
> That's a good challenge, David.
> 
> Of course, Ed has already been put to the test, and his theories found 
> to be a load of nonsense.
> He's a Grade A Net Kook.
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/myers/misc/bone.html
> http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/t_origins/carbbones/carbbones.html
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/conrad.html
> http://www.bibleandscience.com/conrad.htm

All true, Jim, but he's a liar, as well. 

By the way, let me say that I have appreciated your writings through
the years. Good stuff!
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#906
Author: David Sienkiewicz
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:46
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Larry Jandro <usenet@REMOVETHISljvideo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93A7A7BF739A9larryathome@68.6.19.6>...
> On 27 Jun 2003, david.sienkiewicz@attbi.com (David Sienkiewicz)
> tapped on a keyboard and the electrons formed this: 
> [whatever...]
> 
> What the hell are you clowns doing in bc.general and az.general..?
> 
> Stay in your k12 playground.

Sorry for the intrusion.  I tend to think that Ed should be exposed
whereever he posts his claims.  Usually, when he posts in newsgroups
other than those in the sci hierarchy or in talk.origins, it's a
hit-and-run as we saw.

So we won't be here for long.
Re: MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Other Creatures, Too!!
#907
Author: Hypnosis
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:28
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"David Sienkiewicz" <david.sienkiewicz@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:35fa3772.0306282046.6c0bd2c5@posting.google.com...
> Larry Jandro <usenet@REMOVETHISljvideo.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns93A7A7BF739A9larryathome@68.6.19.6>...
> > On 27 Jun 2003, david.sienkiewicz@attbi.com (David Sienkiewicz)
> > tapped on a keyboard and the electrons formed this:
> > [whatever...]
> >
> > What the hell are you clowns doing in bc.general and az.general..?
> >
> > Stay in your k12 playground.
>
> Sorry for the intrusion.  I tend to think that Ed should be exposed
> whereever he posts his claims.  Usually, when he posts in newsgroups
> other than those in the sci hierarchy or in talk.origins, it's a
> hit-and-run as we saw.
>
> So we won't be here for long.

I for one appreciate your "intrusion", you are right to draw attention to
hocum et al.

hyp
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