🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:37:30 -0500, Geoff  Miller <geoffm@lava.net> wrote:
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> Julian Macassey  <julian@tele.com> writes:
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>> Some kids with intent. Possible?
>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/
>
>> Looks like more "thought crime" to me like the alleged
>> conspiracies to blow up Kennedu airport fuel lines, flood the
>> Holland tunnel etc.
>
> "'Thought crime!'  Yeah, that's the ticket!  Nobody actually *did*
> anything, so what's the problem?  It's much ado about nothing!"
>
> Isn't intent enough?  The legal establishment thinks so.  That's
> why conspiracy to commit a crime is itself a crime.
>
> Julian, you're impossible.  You're in complete denial.  I ought to
> start calling you Tendentious Ted.  You refuse to believe that there's
> any danger whatsoever to the traveling public from Islamic terrorists,
> despite a string of such incidents that goes back to 1970.  

	The difference between you and I is that I have travelled
in these areas and you haven't. If I am in denial, it might be
because I have experienced more than Fox News.

> (Where does this "Rights Of Man" concept you're so enamored of come
> from, anyway?  In what supranational uber-constitution is it enshrined?
> I never heard of it until you started nattering about it in connection 
> with the WoT.)

	The Enlightenment. Glad you asked.
>
> I read the Register article you posted the link to.  The gist is that
> these guys are incompetent when it comes to the chemistry of explo-
> sives.  Okay, what if they are?  What if they'd tried and failed, the
> mixture of the TATP precursors resulting in "only" a "violent reaction"
> as opposed to a full-on detonation?  

	Just how much ice would they used?

>
> It's entirely possible that some of their fellow passengers would've
> been injured, even if the plane didn't fall out of the sky.  It 
> could've started a fire when a plane was out over the Atlantic, 
> hours from any airfield.  Here's an example of what happens when
> there's a fire aboard an airplane, even when there's a place to
> make an emergency landing:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_797
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> As a matter of principle, would you want to be on a plane with 
> somebody who wanted to bring it down, even if he were incompetent?

	It seems you are also in danger at baggage claim, etc.
etc. etc.

	But, I don't live in fear.


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You can't trust people who have such terrible food. - Jaques
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