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Article #1860Re: Property Rights
From: Merlin Dorfman
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:11
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 21:11
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In ca.general Frank White <fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com> wrote:
> In article <nncub159gd1eeeostab3et1h557p8lmrrl@4ax.com>, gunner@lightspeed.net says...
>>
>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:07:17 +0000 (UTC), Merlin Dorfman
>><dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote:
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>>>In ca.general Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>...
>>>
>>>> "When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and
>>>> chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first
>>>> Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the
>>>> inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the
>>>> British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might
>>>> have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't
>>>> know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N.
>>>> and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this
>>>> time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not
>>>> just continued sanctions."
>>>> --Bill Clinton, July 22, 2003
>>>
>>> And that's exactly what happened, and Saddam did let the UN
>>>inspectors back in, and they found nothing. And the rest of the
>>>world believed them, and Bush said the UN inspectors were wrong
>>>and invaded, and found...nothing. As the rest of the world (not
>>>blinded by ideology) knew, the UN inspectors were right.
>>>
>>
>>Not true Dorfy...the Iraqis played hide and seek for years. Perhaps
>>you would care to review the timeline of the inspectors? When they
>>were kicked out..then let back in, then kicked out and so forth.
??? They were let back in after the UN ultimatum of October
2002, and the inspectors carried out extremely intrusive inspections
for the next five months, until they left when it became clear that
the US was going to invade. As long as these inspections continued,
Saddam was going nowhere with WMDs, and if he stopped the
inspections, or resisted the inspectors' requests, the UN had made
it clear that the whole world would support an invasion.
But the US was determined to invade anyway...and did...
without that support.
> As I've said before, I can't really blame Bush II for thinking
> Saddam had WMD, as he was doing everything in his power to make
> it unclear to the world if he had them or not.
But there were people on the ground there who KNEW...and they
were right...but for his own reasons, Bush ignored them.
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From: Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net>
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general,scruz.general,misc.survivalism,alt.tv.the-west-wing
Subject: Re: Property Rights
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:11:16 +0000 (UTC)
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