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Article #1874Re: Property Rights
From: David Marc Nieporent
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:47
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:47
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In article <daabkb$o84$1@blue.rahul.net>, Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@green.rahul.net> wrote: >In ca.general David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote: > >... > > >>>And regarding Social Security, don't DARE fuck with the money I put >>>into my account since I was 16 years of age. I need this to live on. >>>It is my ONLY source of income, outside of a small pension from a >>>private company that will pay for a couple of heart-clogging >>>cheeseburgers a month. > >> You're confused. Social Security is a tax. You didn't put any money into >> "your account." You have no "account." The proponents of Social Security >> wanted people to think they did, to build a broad base of support for the >> program -- but it was just propaganda. There are several Supreme Court >> rulings clarifying this for people who thought they had some sort of >> contractual right to Social Security payments. It's not property or a >> contract. It's simply a transfer program, like welfare. You pay taxes to >> support old people who aren't working, and then later on, when you retire, >> workers pay taxes to support you. Bush *wants* to change the system, to >> give people the personal accounts they thought they had all along. > People thought all along that they could manage their own >investments in Social Security? Either they were very confused, >or you are... No, of course people didn't think they could manage their own investments in Social Security. But they thought they _had_ their own investments, and that the government was managing it for them until it was time for them to collect. --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu
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