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Re: Property Rights

#1950
From: David Marc Nieporent
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:19
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In article <60ksb119dmp8p22cgjj1fa3e0kmigvpmc7@4ax.com>,
 Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote:
>BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[Someone wrote:]
>>> >Btw...being allowed to put 3-4% of your social security funds in a
>>> >private account is hardly "destroying the system"

>>> How much is the Republican Party paying you for being a spin doctor
>>> and a shill for them?  I hope it is worth it to you, and that you can
>>> sleep with a clear conscious at night.

>>Congratulations. You've completely failed to address either point he 
>>raised in favor of an ad hominem attack.
>>Well done.

>I've addressed this BEFORE you joined the n/g, but I guess I have to
>go over it again for the newcomers.

Leaving aside the minor point that newsgroups aren't something one can 
"join," he's not a newcomer joining anything.  Rather, he's a longtime 
participant in one of the newsgroups this was crossposted to.

[...]

>And regarding Social Security, don't DARE fuck with the money I put
>into my account since I was 16 years of age.  I need this to live on.
>It is my ONLY source of income, outside of a small pension from a
>private company that will pay for a couple of heart-clogging
>cheeseburgers a month.

You're confused.  Social Security is a tax.  You didn't put any money into 
"your account."  You have no "account."  The proponents of Social Security 
wanted people to think they did, to build a broad base of support for the 
program -- but it was just propaganda.  There are several Supreme Court 
rulings clarifying this for people who thought they had some sort of 
contractual right to Social Security payments.  It's not property or a 
contract.  It's simply a transfer program, like welfare.  You pay taxes to 
support old people who aren't working, and then later on, when you retire, 
workers pay taxes to support you.  Bush *wants* to change the system, to 
give people the personal accounts they thought they had all along.

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David M. Nieporent    nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu
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From: David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>
Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general,scruz.general,misc.survivalism,alt.tv.the-west-wing
Subject: Re: Property Rights
Organization: Jumping To Conclusions: http://tollbooth.blogspot.com
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