🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:19:00 -0400, David Marc Nieporent
<nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:

>In article <60ksb119dmp8p22cgjj1fa3e0kmigvpmc7@4ax.com>,
> Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>BTR1701 <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>[Someone wrote:]
>>>> >Btw...being allowed to put 3-4% of your social security funds in a
>>>> >private account is hardly "destroying the system"
>
>>>> How much is the Republican Party paying you for being a spin doctor
>>>> and a shill for them?  I hope it is worth it to you, and that you can
>>>> sleep with a clear conscious at night.
>
>>>Congratulations. You've completely failed to address either point he 
>>>raised in favor of an ad hominem attack.
>>>Well done.
>
>>I've addressed this BEFORE you joined the n/g, but I guess I have to
>>go over it again for the newcomers.
>
>Leaving aside the minor point that newsgroups aren't something one can 
>"join," he's not a newcomer joining anything.  Rather, he's a longtime 
>participant in one of the newsgroups this was crossposted to.

La de dah

>[...]
>
>>And regarding Social Security, don't DARE fuck with the money I put
>>into my account since I was 16 years of age.  I need this to live on.
>>It is my ONLY source of income, outside of a small pension from a
>>private company that will pay for a couple of heart-clogging
>>cheeseburgers a month.
>
>You're confused.  Social Security is a tax.  You didn't put any money into 
>"your account."  You have no "account."

bullshit.  I have a statement of earnings, for all the years that I
worked, which determines how much FICA was removed in MY name from MY
PAYCHECK for MY use at a later date, along with matching funds from my
employer.  My SS number is my account number.

>  The proponents of Social Security 
>wanted people to think they did, to build a broad base of support for the 
>program -- but it was just propaganda.

So that green stuff in my wallet is just propaganda, hu?  Interesting.
I'll have to mention that to the store clerk the next time I buy
something.

>  There are several Supreme Court 
>rulings clarifying this for people who thought they had some sort of 
>contractual right to Social Security payments.

The SCOTUS can shove it.  They've given US Citizens more than enough
reasons to Nuke the place.

>  It's not property or a 
>contract.

It is exactly a contract.

>  It's simply a transfer program, like welfare.  You pay taxes to 
>support old people who aren't working, and then later on, when you retire, 
>workers pay taxes to support you.  Bush *wants* to change the system, to 
>give people the personal accounts they thought they had all along.

You'll forgive me if I recoil from any program conceived by the
current administration, and while we're on the subject, what ever
happened to his proposed IRS reform?