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Tom Huffman wrote:

>      The one aspect of this that has to be recognized is
> that conceled carry permits aren't valid in certain places,
> including schools.  This is why Kip Kinkel was successful
> in his shooting spree in Eugene, OR (my home state, where
> CCW is "shall issue").
>      Were CCW holders allowed to carry on school grounds,
> Kip would be dead (or at least stopped quickly) and there
> would only be a few victims; possibly none, if someone saw
> him coming in the door and confronted him.

The statistics indicate that the more likely scenario would bethat Kip
would have decided on some other course of action,
out of the fear that his attack with a gun would result in his
immediate demise, or some other unsatisfying conclusion.
That, in my opinion is the best news yet.  Kip deterred in
my opinion is much better than Kip dead.


>      Yeah, I agree that airlines aren't a good place for
> CCW; people get too frightened in cases of bad turbulence.

Have you ever heard of a frightened passenger shooting up
a flight because he was scared by turbulence? Do you have a
cite?  Before the Sixties, not much was done to prevent
carrying aboard.  I never heard of such a thing.
Actually, I doubt that hijackings would go up at all if CCW
were allowed on all flights.  I can remember living in a society
where every man aboard every flight was armed.  We had NO
hijackings, and this was back in the sixties when it was all the
rage.  We also had few if any accidental shootings.  The only
precaution taken was that each person was asked to clear his
weapon upon boarding.  I was a courier, so I didn't. Your
comments below, about the nature of CCW holders would hold
on aircraft, too.
buddy

> But other places, such as schools, need the protection of
> CCW holders.
>      And those who think this will only increase violence,
> haven't absorbed the concept that CCW holders have a much
> lower crime rate than the general public, and are *much*
> more accurate than the police.  They're also at the place
> of the crime *WHEN IT HAPPENS*, not 5 or 10 minutes later.
>
> IMHO,
> toemoss
> This is my opinion, not Hewlett-Packard's