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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:46:31 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
<jwn@ripco.com> wrote:

>In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
>: <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>
>:>In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>:>: In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>:>: : On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:30:41 GMT, "    krp" <web2457k@verizon.net>
>:>: : wrote:
>:>
>:>: :>
>:>: :>"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote in message 
>:>: :>news:ebvjr8$719$1@e250.ripco.com...
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> :>> :> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend itself?
>:>: :>> :>> :>
>:>: :>> :>> :> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired first... 
>:>: :>> it
>:>: :>> :>> seems
>:>: :>> :>> :> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though Israel
>:>: :>> :>> takes a
>:>: :>> :>> :> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence
>:>: :>> :>> starts
>:>: :>> :>> :> > anew.
>:>: :>> :>> :>
>:>: :>> :>> :>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets into
>:>: :>> :>> Israel,
>:>: :>> :>> :> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do you
>:>: :>> :>> want to
>:>: :>> :>> :> go back?
>:>: :>> :>> :> 1948?
>:>: :>> :>>
>:>: :>> :>> : Or with Hesbollah ambushing an Israeli patrol in Aitaa al Chaab.
>:>: :>> :>>
>:>: :>> :>> Is "Aitaa al Chaab" in Israel?
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> :> No. In Lebanon. There are reports that the Israeli soldiers originally
>:>: :>> :> killed and kidnapped were engaged in a reconnaissance patrol over the
>:>: :>> :> border when they were ambushed.
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> :     No in ISRAEL - there are always "REPORTS" - in this case FROM
>:>: :>> : Hezbollah - that came two days later. HOW do you explain that the bodies 
>:>: :>> of
>:>: :>> : the 9 Israeli border guards were found a half mile INSIDE Israel? How do 
>:>: :>> you
>:>: :>> : explain the tunnels etc? In Psychology the "story" that eventually came 
>:>: :>> from
>:>: :>> : "Hezbollah" would be termed "justification" - but I call it just MAKING 
>:>: :>> UP
>:>: :>> : EXCUSES! Or bullshit.
>:>: :>> :
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> Even our government says they were kidnapped in Lebanon...
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/12/wednesday/index.html
>:>: :>>
>:>: :>> "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House denounced Wednesday's kidnapping of 
>:>: :>> two
>:>: :>> Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon and 
>:>: :>> criticized
>:>: :>> Iran and Syria for backing the Islamic militia. "
>:>: :>
>:>: :>    Even the US gets it wrong. The FACT remains that the APV and the 9 dead 
>:>: :>soldiers were inside Israel.
>:>: :>
>:>: :>
>:>: :>
>:>: : The US didn't "get it wrong", the morons at CNN got it wrong. Here's
>:>: : the press release:
>:>
>:>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
>:>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian targets
>:>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
>:>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
>:>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
>:>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
>:>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the immediate
>:>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.
>:>
>:>: : Hizballah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are
>:>: : an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. Hizballah's
>:>: : actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose welfare
>:>: : should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and Iranian
>:>: : regimes. We reiterate the international community's insistence that
>:>: : all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under UN Security
>:>: : Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for
>:>: : Hizballah. "
>:>
>:>: : CNN decided to put their own spin on the press release and the liberal
>:>: : morons bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
>:>
>:>: : Yea... they are that stupid.
>:>
>:>: That press release doesn't say where the soldiers were kidnapped....
>:>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060712.html (although it 
>:>: does say "operating from Lebanon")
>:>
>:>: But... if you read Secretary of State Rice's briefing she does...
>:>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>:>: "... Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this began. This 
>:>:  began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a similar abduction 
>:>:  in Lebanon. ..."  
>:>
>:>: The Secretary of State doesn't say they went into Israel either...  soldiers
>:>: were abducted in Gaza (not part of Israel) and Lebanon (not part of Israel).
>:>
>:>: It's true that the U.S. may send law enforcement personel into other countries,
>:>: but that is only with approval of that nation...  Can we invade Mexico to
>:>: stop illegal items or people coming across the boarder?  Not by international
>:>: law! 
>:>
>:>
>:>Wow... no all capitol letter reply telling me Secretary of State Rice is all
>:>wrong and the attack happened in Israel?  So, we all agree with Secretary of
>:>State and former National Security Advisor Rice that the soldier abductions
>:>didn't happen in Israel?
>
>: If that feeds your fantasy...
>
>Your stymied by truth?

No.

>
>:>
>:>In case your having trouble finding it... it's in the second paragraph:
>:>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>:>
>:>1st paragraph
>:>  SECRETARY RICE: All right, let me just make a brief statement, and then 
>:>  Steve will follow on with a brief statement. And then we'll be happy to 
>:>  take your questions.
>:>
>:>2nd paragraph
>:>  Obviously, there is considerable concern about the situation in the Middle 
>:>  East, both the situation in Gaza and the situation that has emerged in 
>:>  Lebanon. Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this 
>:>  began. This began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a 
>:>  similar abduction in Lebanon. It had followed weeks of rocket attacks 
>:>  against Israeli population centers. This itself escalated today with attacks 
>:>  against Haifa, a major population center.
>
>: Throughout that entire briefing, Rice talked about the Lebanon
>: situation. It is in that reference that she referred to the abduction
>: of 2 Israeli soldiers and their abduction into Lebanon by Hesbolah
>: factions in Lebanon.
>
>: And Hadley cleared up the information later in the briefing:
>: MR. HADLEY: Let me just make two points on that. One is about
>: Hezbollah. Hezbollah took this action using Lebanese territory to
>: attack northern Israel without the authorization of the Lebanese
>: government. This is not the way democratic parties behave. It is also
>: one of the reasons 1559 talked about disarming militias, getting them
>: out of the terror business into the political process, and having only
>: one authority, which is the government authority, imposing security
>: throughout the country.
>
>They are referencing the missle attacks, not the kidnapping of the soldier.

Soldiers... there were two of them.

You realize there was an attack on Israel's military, right? That's
how the hesboboloos got the two soldiers.

And you obviously forgot the details of the battle. Here's a reminder:
>:>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
>:>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian targets
>:>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
>:>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
>:>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
>:>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
>:>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the immediate
>:>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.

>
>: Here's part of the story from the Jerusalem Post:
>: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1150885988710
>: The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According
>: to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from
>: Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.
>
>: Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers
>: Wednesday in a cross-border raid. 
>
>So you don't accept CNN or Secretary of State Rice, but you assume the 
>Jerusalem Post as unbiased?  DOH!

And you assume Sec Rice stated that the two soldiers were kidnapped in
Lebanon? Post your proof.

>
>: And there's always this little tidbit:
>: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldad_Regev
>: "The fighting began at around 8 AM when Hezbollah launched a barrage
>: of Katyusha rockets and mortars on Israeli towns and military
>: positions along the Lebanese border, apparently as a diversion.[1] A
>: force then attacked two armored IDF Humvees patrolling near the
>: Israeli village of Zar'it with anti-tank rockets, killing three
>: soldiers and capturing the two others, and then retreating into
>: Lebanon near the town of Ayta al-Sha`b.
>
>OOOH, quote a user edited page that can change daily... are you "Rebel Mike"?
>
>The problem with wikipedia is it's edited by people... like you...
>Your saying the former National Security Advisor/Secretary of State 
>is wrong on this?  

Oh? You can edit that page in Wikipedia? 
Do it. 
I'll check it later to see if you were successful.

Mike Smith

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