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"pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend 
>>>>>>>>> > itself?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired first... 
>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>>>>> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though 
>>>>>>>>> > Israel takes
>>>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>>>> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence 
>>>>>>>>> > starts
>>>>>>>>> > anew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets 
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> Israel,
>>>>>>>>> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do you 
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> go back?
>>>>>>>>> 1948?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were captured i km inside Lebanon.
>>>>>>>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The FORBES source came from LEBANON......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    IF that were true - how come the 9 DEAD Israeli border guards 
>>>>>>> were found
>>>>>>>INSIDE Israel? Are you going to TRY to tell me that the "HIGHLY
>>>>>>>COMPASSIONATE HEZBOLLAH TERRORISTS" carried the bodies the  1km to 
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>border and then a half km into Israel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    The dead soldier border guards AND their APV were a half km 
>>>>>>> INSIDE
>>>>>>>Israel by their outpost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shame on you....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you expect the left wing morons to actually rely on 
>>>>>> "facts",
>>>>>> instead of conjecture?
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote "However there is verifiable proof that saddam DID have 
>>>>> WMD's.".
>>>>> That was a lie. Any post from you from this point on is now in doubt.
>>>>> You have proven ( again and again ) that you have no analytical 
>>>>> abilities, and no concept of truth, nor honor, nor decency.
>>>>
>>>> That's bullshit. Saddam USED chemical and biological weapons against 
>>>> the Kurds, against the people of Basra, and against the Iranians. FACTS 
>>>> FACT FACTS those damn FACTS!
>>
>>> You are closer than Mike, but not exactly correct : Saddam used chem 
>>> weapons he received from Ronny Raygun, Dow, and Citizen Rumsfeld.

>>    Wrong. The Chemical weapons came from Germany - the delivery systems 
>> from France. Iraq got ZERO "weapons" from the US during their war with 
>> Iran.
>
>>> " To prevent an Iraqi collapse, the Reagan administration supplied 
>>> battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop buildups to the Iraqis, 
>>> sometimes through third parties such as Saudi Arabia. The U.S. tilt 
>>> toward Iraq was enshrined in National Security Decision Directive 114 of 
>>> Nov. 26, 1983, one of the few important Reagan era foreign policy 
>>> decisions that still remains classified. According to former U.S. 
>>> officials, the directive stated that the United States would do 
>>> "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing the war 
>>> with Iran.
>>
>>    Yeah they got some word on sattelite photos of Iranian troop 
>> deployments but ZERO "weapons" of ANY kind.
>>
>>> Washington was strongly opposed to chemical warfare, a practice outlawed 
>>> by the 1925 Geneva Protocol. In practice, U.S. condemnation of Iraqi use 
>>> of chemical weapons ranked relatively low on the scale of administration 
>>> priorities, particularly compared with the all-important goal of 
>>> preventing an Iranian victory.
>>
>>> Thus, on Nov. 1, 1983, a senior State Department official, Jonathan T. 
>>> Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports 
>>> showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of CW" 
>>> against the Iranians. But the Reagan administration had already 
>>> committed itself to a large-scale diplomatic and political overture to 
>>> Baghdad, culminating in several visits by the president's recently 
>>> appointed special envoy to the Middle East, Donald H. Rumsfeld. "
>>
>>    You omit that the Iranians were also using chemical weapons.
>>
>>> Fast forward five long years.
>>
>>> "The infamous gas attack took place in mid-March 1988 in the Kurdish 
>>> town of Halabja, the crossroads of an ongoing battle waged between a 
>>> joint Kurdish-Iranian force and the Iraqi army."
>>
>>> >He also had a nuclear weapons facility the Israelis bombed.
>>
>>> Correct, but your chronology is wrong, and it was not fully operational, 
>>> thus not capable of producing weapons grade materials
>>> in any quantities.
>>
>>    Nobody knows that for sure - the site is still radioactive and 
>> probably will be for a few thousand years.
>>
>>> "On June 7, 1981, that 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and 
>>> destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more 
>>> than 600 miles from Israel's borders.1 Prime Minister Menachem Begin 
>>> claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to 
>>> Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were 
>>> contradicted by a number of experts, but there was considerable 
>>> circumstantial evidence that Iraq indeed hoped eventually to develop a 
>>> nuclear weapon. 2 However, Israel's critics pointed out that Iraq was a 
>>> signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allowed 
>>> international inspections of the nuclear facility, while Israel itself 
>>> refused to sign the treaty, refused inspections of its nuclear facility, 
>>> and was widely believed to have a large nuclear arsenal. 3
>>
>>    The "experts" who contradicted Begin were French - and the French are 
>> the ones who set up the nuclear weapons program.
>>
>>> Google up Operation Sphinx for more details of ops designed to degrade 
>>> the Iraqi nuke effort.
>>
>>>>They had the French and Germans helping them towards nuclear weapons 
>>>>technology and selling them Arms against the UN embargo including 
>>>>helicopters for deployment of chemical weapons.
>>
>>> The US sold dual-use tech to Saddam too.
>>
>>    But not deliberately for weapons as the FRENCH and GERMANS did.
>>
>>>> Don't forget they found over 500 rounds of chemical munitions IN Iraq.
>>
>>> Now your're out in the weeds. From the Darfur report:
>>> "d.. Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003 and had no
>>> production since 1991.
>>>  e.. The ISG judged that in March 2003, Iraq would have had the ability 
>>> to
>>> produce large quantities of Sulfur Mustard in 3-6 months, and large
>>> quantities of nerve agent in 2 years.
>>>  f.. There was no proof of any biological weapons stocks since 1991.
>>>  g.. Iraq's nuclear program was terminated in 1991, at which point
>>> micrograms of enriched uranium had been produced from a single test gas
>>> centrifuge."
>>>
>>> They were left-overs from before the Bush-the-lesser-stupid's first Gulf 
>>> War fiasco.
>>>
>>> If you are implying that there were ANY active Chem/Bio capabilities 
>>> following Desert Storm, you are wrong.
>>> Now get back to fellating Mikey: he's going soft on us......
>>
>>    No I am not wrong. Regardless of the date of manufacture the 500+ 
>> shells found are QUITE LETHAL!

> Sorry: binary chemical weapons have a short shelf-life.

    For full effect yes - but of those 500 shells they are still lethal as 
is.

> We are NOT seeing reports of US troops falling dead from exposure to 
> chemweapons used as IEDs.
> Thus, there are no QUITE LETHAL chemical weapons left to weaponise and 
> use.

They would be lethal if fired. They are inert until then.