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In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
: In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
: : On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:30:41 GMT, "    krp" <web2457k@verizon.net>
: : wrote:

: :>
: :>"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote in message 
: :>news:ebvjr8$719$1@e250.ripco.com...
: :>>
: :>> :>> :> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend itself?
: :>> :>> :>
: :>> :>> :> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired first... 
: :>> it
: :>> :>> seems
: :>> :>> :> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though Israel
: :>> :>> takes a
: :>> :>> :> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence
: :>> :>> starts
: :>> :>> :> > anew.
: :>> :>> :>
: :>> :>> :>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets into
: :>> :>> Israel,
: :>> :>> :> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do you
: :>> :>> want to
: :>> :>> :> go back?
: :>> :>> :> 1948?
: :>> :>>
: :>> :>> : Or with Hesbollah ambushing an Israeli patrol in Aitaa al Chaab.
: :>> :>>
: :>> :>> Is "Aitaa al Chaab" in Israel?
: :>>
: :>> :> No. In Lebanon. There are reports that the Israeli soldiers originally
: :>> :> killed and kidnapped were engaged in a reconnaissance patrol over the
: :>> :> border when they were ambushed.
: :>>
: :>> :     No in ISRAEL - there are always "REPORTS" - in this case FROM
: :>> : Hezbollah - that came two days later. HOW do you explain that the bodies 
: :>> of
: :>> : the 9 Israeli border guards were found a half mile INSIDE Israel? How do 
: :>> you
: :>> : explain the tunnels etc? In Psychology the "story" that eventually came 
: :>> from
: :>> : "Hezbollah" would be termed "justification" - but I call it just MAKING 
: :>> UP
: :>> : EXCUSES! Or bullshit.
: :>> :
: :>>
: :>> Even our government says they were kidnapped in Lebanon...
: :>>
: :>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/12/wednesday/index.html
: :>>
: :>> "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House denounced Wednesday's kidnapping of 
: :>> two
: :>> Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon and 
: :>> criticized
: :>> Iran and Syria for backing the Islamic militia. "
: :>
: :>    Even the US gets it wrong. The FACT remains that the APV and the 9 dead 
: :>soldiers were inside Israel.
: :>
: :>
: :>
: : The US didn't "get it wrong", the morons at CNN got it wrong. Here's
: : the press release:

: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian targets
: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the immediate
: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.

: : Hizballah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are
: : an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. Hizballah's
: : actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose welfare
: : should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and Iranian
: : regimes. We reiterate the international community's insistence that
: : all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under UN Security
: : Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for
: : Hizballah. "

: : CNN decided to put their own spin on the press release and the liberal
: : morons bought it, hook, line, and sinker.

: : Yea... they are that stupid.

: That press release doesn't say where the soldiers were kidnapped....
: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060712.html (although it 
: does say "operating from Lebanon")

: But... if you read Secretary of State Rice's briefing she does...
: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
: "... Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this began. This 
:  began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a similar abduction 
:  in Lebanon. ..."  

: The Secretary of State doesn't say they went into Israel either...  soldiers
: were abducted in Gaza (not part of Israel) and Lebanon (not part of Israel).

: It's true that the U.S. may send law enforcement personel into other countries,
: but that is only with approval of that nation...  Can we invade Mexico to
: stop illegal items or people coming across the boarder?  Not by international
: law! 


Wow... no all capitol letter reply telling me Secretary of State Rice is all
wrong and the attack happened in Israel?  So, we all agree with Secretary of
State and former National Security Advisor Rice that the soldier abductions
didn't happen in Israel?

In case your having trouble finding it... it's in the second paragraph:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html

1st paragraph
  SECRETARY RICE: All right, let me just make a brief statement, and then 
  Steve will follow on with a brief statement. And then we'll be happy to 
  take your questions.

2nd paragraph
  Obviously, there is considerable concern about the situation in the Middle 
  East, both the situation in Gaza and the situation that has emerged in 
  Lebanon. Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this 
  began. This began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a 
  similar abduction in Lebanon. It had followed weeks of rocket attacks 
  against Israeli population centers. This itself escalated today with attacks 
  against Haifa, a major population center.


-- 
John Nelson
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