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" krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message 
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> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend itself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired first... 
>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>>>> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though Israel 
>>>>>>>> > takes
>>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>>> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence 
>>>>>>>> > starts
>>>>>>>> > anew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets into
>>>>>>>> Israel,
>>>>>>>> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do you 
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> go back?
>>>>>>>> 1948?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were captured i km inside Lebanon.
>>>>>>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The FORBES source came from LEBANON......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    IF that were true - how come the 9 DEAD Israeli border guards were 
>>>>>> found
>>>>>>INSIDE Israel? Are you going to TRY to tell me that the "HIGHLY
>>>>>>COMPASSIONATE HEZBOLLAH TERRORISTS" carried the bodies the  1km to the
>>>>>>border and then a half km into Israel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    The dead soldier border guards AND their APV were a half km INSIDE
>>>>>>Israel by their outpost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Shame on you....
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you expect the left wing morons to actually rely on "facts",
>>>>> instead of conjecture?
>>>>
>>>> You wrote "However there is verifiable proof that saddam DID have 
>>>> WMD's.".
>>>> That was a lie. Any post from you from this point on is now in doubt.
>>>> You have proven ( again and again ) that you have no analytical 
>>>> abilities, and no concept of truth, nor honor, nor decency.
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>>> That's bullshit. Saddam USED chemical and biological weapons against the 
>>> Kurds, against the people of Basra, and against the Iranians. FACTS FACT 
>>> FACTS those damn FACTS!
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>> You are closer than Mike, but not exactly correct : Saddam used chem 
>> weapons he received from Ronny Raygun, Dow, and Citizen Rumsfeld.
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>    Wrong. The Chemical weapons came from Germany - the delivery systems 
> from France. Iraq got ZERO "weapons" from the US during their war with 
> Iran.
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>> " To prevent an Iraqi collapse, the Reagan administration supplied 
>> battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop buildups to the Iraqis, 
>> sometimes through third parties such as Saudi Arabia. The U.S. tilt 
>> toward Iraq was enshrined in National Security Decision Directive 114 of 
>> Nov. 26, 1983, one of the few important Reagan era foreign policy 
>> decisions that still remains classified. According to former U.S. 
>> officials, the directive stated that the United States would do "whatever 
>> was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran.
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>    Yeah they got some word on sattelite photos of Iranian troop 
> deployments but ZERO "weapons" of ANY kind.
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>> Washington was strongly opposed to chemical warfare, a practice outlawed 
>> by the 1925 Geneva Protocol. In practice, U.S. condemnation of Iraqi use 
>> of chemical weapons ranked relatively low on the scale of administration 
>> priorities, particularly compared with the all-important goal of 
>> preventing an Iranian victory.
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>> Thus, on Nov. 1, 1983, a senior State Department official, Jonathan T. 
>> Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports 
>> showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of CW" 
>> against the Iranians. But the Reagan administration had already committed 
>> itself to a large-scale diplomatic and political overture to Baghdad, 
>> culminating in several visits by the president's recently appointed 
>> special envoy to the Middle East, Donald H. Rumsfeld. "
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>    You omit that the Iranians were also using chemical weapons.
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>> Fast forward five long years.
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>> "The infamous gas attack took place in mid-March 1988 in the Kurdish town 
>> of Halabja, the crossroads of an ongoing battle waged between a joint 
>> Kurdish-Iranian force and the Iraqi army."
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>> >He also had a nuclear weapons facility the Israelis bombed.
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>> Correct, but your chronology is wrong, and it was not fully operational, 
>> thus not capable of producing weapons grade materials
>> in any quantities.
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>    Nobody knows that for sure - the site is still radioactive and probably 
> will be for a few thousand years.
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>> "On June 7, 1981, that 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and 
>> destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more than 
>> 600 miles from Israel's borders.1 Prime Minister Menachem Begin claimed 
>> the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel 
>> because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were 
>> contradicted by a number of experts, but there was considerable 
>> circumstantial evidence that Iraq indeed hoped eventually to develop a 
>> nuclear weapon. 2 However, Israel's critics pointed out that Iraq was a 
>> signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allowed 
>> international inspections of the nuclear facility, while Israel itself 
>> refused to sign the treaty, refused inspections of its nuclear facility, 
>> and was widely believed to have a large nuclear arsenal. 3
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>    The "experts" who contradicted Begin were French - and the French are 
> the ones who set up the nuclear weapons program.
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>> Google up Operation Sphinx for more details of ops designed to degrade 
>> the Iraqi nuke effort.
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>>>They had the French and Germans helping them towards nuclear weapons 
>>>technology and selling them Arms against the UN embargo including 
>>>helicopters for deployment of chemical weapons.
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>> The US sold dual-use tech to Saddam too.
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>    But not deliberately for weapons as the FRENCH and GERMANS did.
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>>> Don't forget they found over 500 rounds of chemical munitions IN Iraq.
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>> Now your're out in the weeds. From the Darfur report:
>> "d.. Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003 and had no
>> production since 1991.
>>  e.. The ISG judged that in March 2003, Iraq would have had the ability 
>> to
>> produce large quantities of Sulfur Mustard in 3-6 months, and large
>> quantities of nerve agent in 2 years.
>>  f.. There was no proof of any biological weapons stocks since 1991.
>>  g.. Iraq's nuclear program was terminated in 1991, at which point
>> micrograms of enriched uranium had been produced from a single test gas
>> centrifuge."
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>> They were left-overs from before the Bush-the-lesser-stupid's first Gulf 
>> War fiasco.
>>
>> If you are implying that there were ANY active Chem/Bio capabilities 
>> following Desert Storm, you are wrong.
>> Now get back to fellating Mikey: he's going soft on us......
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>    No I am not wrong. Regardless of the date of manufacture the 500+ 
> shells found are QUITE LETHAL!

Sorry: binary chemical weapons have a short shelf-life.

We are NOT seeing reports of US troops falling dead from exposure to 
chemweapons used as IEDs.
Thus, there are no QUITE LETHAL chemical weapons left to weaponise and use.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxF.html#
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