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Bill,

You, like many pro-lifers, have no sense of history.  No religious movement
even knew of sexual reproduction as embodied by current understanding.  In
other words, no book of the Old Testament or the New Testament asserts that
life begins upon fertilization of the egg by the sperm.  These two haploid
cells were not identified until circa 1900.  Hence, the stance that
religious movements take on abotion is EQUALLY AS ARBITRARY as those of
secular movements.

The Bible never defined life as beginning at a certain point in the process
of reproduction.  So, when the Pope decided it was at conception, as defined
by snygamy at the turn of the (20th) century, he was making just as
arbitrary a determination as the secular ethicist who said life begins when
the fetus becomes viable (around 6 months after fertilization.)

Consequently, your deferring to religious authorities SOLVES NOTHING.  After
all, if religion knew definitively when life started, it would have defined
the starting point millenia ago.  As it is, religion defined the start of
life only AFTER science had elucidated the pathway of procreation.
Naturally, then, whatever authority religion has on the subject is purely
fictive.

I have no idea who pervert is, and I don't care to find out.  But, based on
the content of your message, the need for you to clearly realize that
religious authority on when life starts does not exist is abundantly
manifest.

Another implication of this is as follows:  Religious might does not make
right.  You have a brain.  Think for yourself.

Payam

Bill D wrote:

> The Pervert wrote:
>
> Pervert, (an excellent choice of names), you are every bit as scary as a
> rabid Pit Bull.  Every sentence in your post drips with prejudice and
> hatred.  I can only guess that you must have had a really bad experience
> with religion at some time in your life to fill you with such venom.
> Were you molested by a priest when you were a boy?  Tortured by an
> Inquisitor in some dark dungeon?  Burned at the stake in a former life?
> Whatever the cause, it's about time you got some counseling to help you
> get over it.
>
> Not everyone who opposes abortion is a religious zealot.  I belong to no
> religious denomination and I am opposed to it on the same grounds that
> the Catholics, the Jews, the Protestants, the Moslems and many others
> do:
> because it is the taking of an innocent human life.  Is this really so
> hard
> for anyone with half a brain to understand?
>
> Everything you said in your post indicates to me that is it *you* who is
> the zealot, the Savonarola, the terrorist.  There are too many people
> like
> you in the world today; extremists making the world a hell because you
> will
> not tolerate an opinion different from your own.
>
> Pro-lifers are wrong when they resort to violence.  And you are wrong
> when
> you paint me with the same brush as you use on them.  You are also wrong
> when
> you claim a Constitutional right to abortion.  There is no such thing.
> In fact, the framers of the Constitution, explaining their reasons for
> rebelling against the Government, cited what they believed to be
> fundamental
> and universal rights that justified their actions.
> First among these was the right to life.  I happen to agree with them.
> I cherish this right and I would deprive no one of it, born or unborn.
> I also cherish the right to speak out on the issue without fear or
> intimidation
> from the likes of you.
> Take your bombastic threats to alt.cretin.bully.windbag
>
> Bill D.



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"The man who has no tincture of philosophy goes through life imprisoned in
the prejudices derived from common sense, from the habitual beliefs of his
age or his nation, and from convictions which have grown up in his mind
without the cooperation or consent of his deliberate reason."
                                             --Bertrand Russell