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In article <ATq08.28715$Vz3.2902189@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Jim Morris" <jdtmorris@earthlink.net> wrote:
>http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/articles.asp?ID=17769
<snip early bullshit>

>Upon being appointed Israeli Defense Minister in 1981, Sharon was held
>responsible for his involvement in the infamous massacre at the Sabra and

His "involvement" was that he didn't anticipate that the Christian Arabs would 
murder the Muslim Arabs. Admitedly an error. Not at all a crime.

>Shatilla refugee camps in southern Lebanon on Sept. 16, 1982. Sharon and
>then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin called for the murderous rampage
>of innocent, unarmed Palestinian refugees - mostly women, children and the
>elderly.

This part is simply a lie. Total and complete fabrication without any basis in 
reality whatsoever.

>On Dec. 16, 1982 the United Nations General Assembly condemned the massacre
>and declared it to be an act of genocide. The rape of Sabra and Shatilla
>earned Sharon the condemnation of the world as well as denunciation by the
>Israeli parliament, the Knesset. He was forced to resign as Defense Minister
>in 1983.

Proving what a bunch of hypocrites the Arabs are since they never held the 
actual _leader of the murderers_ responsible. 

>The IDF terrorist who committed this murder was vindicated by the Israeli
>Military Advocate General's office as having "acted with restraint and
>control" in an attempt to disperse nearby protesters by "firing live gunfire
>into an open area distant from the rioters." Those bullets fired by the
>soldier somehow found their way to a playground and into an innocent boy's
>head. This is not an isolated incident. It is among the hundreds of
>terrorist acts committed by the IDF on a regular basis.

You are right. Israelis shouldn't attempt to fire warning shots that might hit 
innocent Palestinians. They should just shoot right at the guilty 
Palestinians.

>The aforementioned quote neither explains the numbers of fatalities since
>the start of the present conflict, statistics which speak for themselves. Of
>the approximately 961 people who have died in the past 15 months, 739 have
>been Palestinian; 152 of whom were under the age of 18.

The Israelis have shown great restraint. That number represents fewer than one 
killed for every riot the Palestinians have perpetrated. 

>the international community as well as the Israeli people; or Arafat, who
>had arrested 180 people in the week following the Jerusalem suicide bombing

And who has murdered men, women and children. And _ordered_ the murder of 
American citizens.

Unlike Sharon, whose total involvement in barbarity was his underestimation of 
the Arab penchant for it. 

>in December, and who (along with Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin) won the
>Nobel Peace Prize in 1994?

And thus permanently blackened the Nobel Peace Prize.

They lost a _lot_ of credibility when they gave it to Arafat. They should 
recind the prize, to maybe get some back. 

>entitled to our own opinions and we should learn to "agree to disagree." To
>label sentiments or opinions you may find objectionable, especially
>sentiments speaking out against the actions of the Israeli government as
>anti-Semitic, is wrong. An anti-Semite is one who holds prejudicial views

No. To label anti-Semitic opinions as anti-Semitic is not wrong. 

>towards individuals who religiously or culturally are Jewish. The
>anti-Semite will use his or her biases to oppress the Jew. This is not
>always the case for people who support Palestine.

Sorry, but the "I hate Jews but I don't have the power to oppress them so I 
can't be an anti-Semite" argument doesn't hold water. Any more than the 
argument by some black racists that a black can't be a racist because "racism 
is about power" doesn't hold water.

>I believe in both a "Free Palestine" and a state of Israel. How can I
>possibly be labeled an anti-Semite? I am opposed to the treatment of

On that alone, you wouldn't be. Unlikely that that was it though. 

>Palestinians in the Occupied Territories in the hands of the Israeli
>government and their military machine. I am however, not opposed to the
>existence of Israel or those who practice the tenants of Judaism. This

Well, thank you so much. 

>distinction needs to be made clear and obvious. Israel can alleviate the
>problems it faces with its Palestinian neighbors if its political leadership
>is willing to compromise. The very term "Occupied Territories" infers that

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. The Arab response to an attempt at 
compromise is to make more demands until you are dead.

>Israel infringed on the territorial integrity of Arab nations like Jordan
>(West Bank) and Egypt (Gaza Strip) since 1967.

Correct. They are occupied. From Egypt and Jordan, not the never-existant 
nation of "Palestine".

So what? They are occupied because the Arabs lost them in a war they started. 
Hear that? That is the world's smallest violin.

>The Islamic world must accept the fact that Israel exists, but Israelis must
>respect the rights of Palestinians and honor their call for
>self-determination and a chance at creating a viable nation-state. Both
>sides are not innocent and both have played the role of "villain."

Israel did all that. The Palestinian response was to spit on the peace process 
and start a new wave of murderous terrorist attacks.

If you were writing before Oslo, your points would be valid. Under the 
circumstances, you are like a lawyer standing up and telling a parole board 
what a great guy your client is, while the guards are holding him down after 
he attempted to murder the parole board members. 

>It is imperative that Israel finds a solution to this problem of three
>decades - after all, peace with the Palestinians is one effective way of
>combating America's war on terrorism.

The Palestinians are just another Taliban as far as terrorism was concerned. 

>a whole. We should also realize that no government is more morally righteous
>than another is. It is about time that we realize that oppression is

Yeah, at about the same time we realize that the moon is made of green cheese. 

You are a lazy moron, and a moral coward.

While no government or person is entirely innocent you are just indulging your 
intellectual laziness by claiming that "no government is better than any 
other". That idea is just an excuse to avoid having to make real decisions 
about which governments are better.

If you don't see a difference, go live in the Sudan for a while. 

>If a decade ago we could speak out against legal apartheid in South Africa,
>what makes Israel any different? If speaking out against Israel is deemed
>unacceptable, the question becomes why? Is America sensitive to the fact

Because people who hate Jews lie about Israel. 

>The next time you find the simple phrase "Free Palestine" displayed
>anywhere, keep this in mind. Isn't it problematic that 18 percent of the
>Israeli population that is Arab is subjugated and relegated to second-class
>citizenship?

Isn't it problematic that you beat your wife?

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