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Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: cor
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:33
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Subject: [NYTr] Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
Date: 31 Aug 2005 11:30:12 -0500
From: nytr@olm.blythe-systems.com


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[The time to get everyone out of the city was 2 days before the storm hit.
Now, it's a bit late, with thousands stuck in the dark, airless Superdome,
bodies floating in the drink, unknown numbers of hospitalized and elderly
trapped in nursing homes and hospitals without power.

Even discounting the scandalous inattention of the Federal Government, one
has to wonder what is wrong with the governors and other local officials
who did nothing to prepare or publicize the complete inadequacy of the
civil defense preparedness of their cities and towns.  Why weren't they'
screaming to the press about the lack of maintenance of the levees, the
loss of budget money, etc.?  Everyone was just hoping they'd be lucky,
didn't want to rock the boat by criticizing a vengeful administration 
that couldn't care less about domestic needs -- there are profits to be
made in Iraq by KBR and Halliburton. Why ask them to do any work in the
southern states of the US?

Well, their luck has run out and the boats they didn't want to rock are 
all swamped.-NYTr]

AP - Aug 31, 2005
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HURRICANE_KATRINA?SITE=OHRAV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-08-31-09-58-17

Aug 31, 9:58 AM EDT

Governor: Everyone Must Leave New Orleans

By BRETT MARTEL
Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- The governor of Louisiana says everyone needs to 
leave New Orleans due to flooding from Hurricane Katrina. "We've sent 
buses in. We will be either loading them by boat, helicopter, anything 
that is necessary," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said. Army engineers struggled 
without success to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant 
sandbags, and the governor said Wednesday the situation was worsening 
and there was no choice but to abandon the flooded city.

"The challenge is an engineering nightmare," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said 
on ABC's "Good Morning America." "The National Guard has been dropping 
sandbags into it, but it's like dropping it into a black hole."

As the waters continued to rise in New Orleans, four Navy ships raced 
toward the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, 
and Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the 
devastated region. The Red Cross reported it had about 40,000 people in 
200 shelters across the area in one of the biggest urban disasters the 
nation has ever seen.

The death toll from Hurricane Katrina reached at least 110 in 
Mississippi alone, while Louisiana put aside the counting of the dead to 
concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on 
rooftops and in attics.

	

	

A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full 
fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets on Tuesday, 
swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level 
city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New 
Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.

"We are looking at 12 to 16 weeks before people can come in," Mayor Ray 
Nagin said on ABC's "Good Morning America, "and the other issue that's 
concerning me is have dead bodies in the water. At some point in time 
the dead bodies are going to start to create a serious disease issue."

Blanco said she wanted the Superdome - which had become a shelter of 
last resort for about 20,000 people - evacuated within two days, along 
with other gathering points for storm refugees. The situation inside the 
dank and sweltering Superdome was becoming desperate: The water was 
rising, the air conditioning was out, toilets were broken, and tempers 
were rising.

At the same time, sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway 
leading into New Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge 
slabs of concrete floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route 
for commercial trucking across southern Louisiana.

The sweltering city of 480,000 people - an estimated 80 percent of whom 
obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend - also 
had no drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and 
looters were ransacking stores around town.

"The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people 
in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no 
power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, 
just basic essentials."

She gave no details on exactly where the refugees would be taken. But in 
Houston, Rusty Cornelius, a county emergency official, said at least 
25,000 of them would travel in a bus convoy to Houston starting 
Wednesday and would be sheltered at the 40-year-old Astrodome, which is 
no longer used for professional sporting events.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people 
on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called 
floating dormitories - boats the agency uses to house its own employees.

To repair one of the levees holding back Lake Pontchartrain, officials 
late Tuesday dropped 3,000-pound sandbags from helicopters and hauled 
dozens of 15-foot concrete barriers into the breach. Maj. Gen. Don Riley 
of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said officials also had a more 
audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

Riley said it could take close to a month to get the water out of the 
city. If the water rises a few feet higher, it could also wipe out the 
water system for the whole city, said New Orleans' homeland security 
chief, Terry Ebbert.

A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi 
revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while 
waiting for rescue boats.

"I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years 
ago," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction 
by air Tuesday.

All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood 
refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu 
said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed 
shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the 
truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, 
with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it.

"Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through 
the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in 
New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, 
flashing lights. It was complete chaos."

Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting 
authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed 
personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head 
by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said.

A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun 
collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are 
gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the 
city's homeland security chief. Also, looters tried to break into 
Children's Hospital, the governor's office said.

On New Orleans' Canal Street, dozens of looters ripped open the steel 
gates on clothing and jewelry stores and grabbed merchandise. In Biloxi, 
Miss., people picked through casino slot machines for coins and 
ransacked other businesses. In some cases, the looting took place in 
full view of police and National Guardsmen.

Blanco acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that 
officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but 
first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.

Officials said it was simply too early to estimate a death toll. One 
Mississippi county alone said it had suffered at least 100 deaths, and 
officials are "very, very worried that this is going to go a lot 
higher," said Joe Spraggins, civil defense director for Harrison County, 
home to Biloxi and Gulfport. In neighboring Jackson County, officials 
said at least 10 deaths were blamed on the storm.

Several of the dead in Harrison County were from a beachfront apartment 
building that collapsed under a 25-foot wall of water as Hurricane 
Katrina slammed the Gulf Coast with 145-mph winds Monday. Louisiana 
officials said many were feared dead there, too, making Katrina one of 
the most punishing storms to hit the United States in decades.

Blanco asked residents to spend Wednesday in prayer.

"That would be the best thing to calm our spirits and thank our Lord 
that we are survivors," she said. "Slowly, gradually, we will recover; 
we will survive; we will rebuild."

Across Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, more than 1 million residents 
remained without electricity, some without clean drinking water. 
Officials said it could be weeks, if not months, before most evacuees 
will be able to return.

Emergency medical teams from across the country were sent into the 
region and President Bush cut short his Texas vacation Tuesday to return 
to Washington to focus on the storm damage.

Also, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal 
petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by 
Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

Katrina, which was downgraded to a tropical depression, packed winds 
around 30 mph as it moved through the Ohio Valley early Wednesday, with 
the potential to dump 8 inches of rain and spin off deadly tornadoes.

The remnants of Katrina spawned bands of storms and tornadoes across 
Georgia that caused at least two deaths, multiple injuries and leveled 
dozens of buildings. A tornado damaged 13 homes near Marshall, Va.

Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, 
Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

) 2005 The Associated Press.

       
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Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Don Homuth
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:55
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:33:20 -0800, cor <cor@exchangenet.net> wrote:

>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [NYTr] Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
>Date: 31 Aug 2005 11:30:12 -0500
>From: nytr@olm.blythe-systems.com
>
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective  *  All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
>[The time to get everyone out of the city was 2 days before the storm hit.
>Now, it's a bit late, with thousands stuck in the dark, airless Superdome,
>bodies floating in the drink, unknown numbers of hospitalized and elderly
>trapped in nursing homes and hospitals without power.

Two days before the storm hit, it wasn't certain Where it would hit.

>Even discounting the scandalous inattention of the Federal Government,

If there was scandalous inattention, it was to the previously (for two
to three decades) known threat of what could happen if/when the dikes
ever breached.

Otherwise, things are moving along with all deliberate speed.

>... one has to wonder what is wrong with the governors and other local officials
>who did nothing to prepare or publicize the complete inadequacy of the
>civil defense preparedness of their cities and towns. 

There essentially is No change to provide for complete preparedness
for such a disaster.  Note, for example, that as of Monday, the storm
had passed and downtown New Orleans was mostly dry.  Folks sorta
figured that yet another bullet had been dodged.

Prior to that, as of Sunday night, it looked for all the world as
through the track was straight toward Baton Rouge, which would have
placed the eastern side of the eye directly over New Orleans.

The governor ordered an evacuation prior to that, if you follow the
timelines.  But even so, such an Order was always going to be
difficult to get followed.  There are inevitably some folks who either
(a) don't have the means to leave, or (b) simply prefer not to leave,
or (c) just simply never get the word, or (d) cannot leave due to
physical conditions.

We are discussing moving some two million people here.  Apparently
about 80% of them actually Did leave New Orleans prior to the storm's
arrival, and as such things go, that's actually not a bad track record
at all.

> Why weren't they'
>screaming to the press about the lack of maintenance of the levees, the
>loss of budget money, etc.?

That had been going on for years, but never did do any good.  It had
become part of the background noise -- and was treated as a case of
Crying Wolf.

In this nation, we React to crises -- we seldom try to avoid or
prevent them at all.  And even when they happen, we continue to do the
ultimately strange thing -- we rebuild in Precisely the same spot
afterwards, even when (as in this case) it makes just No financial
sense to do so.

Given weather in the Gulf, if New Orleans does rebuild -- and I
suspect it will -- another storm as bad as or worse than Katrina can
hit within a couple of years, and do it All Over Again in just the
same way.

The people with luxurious homes on the Gulf Shore will be wiped out
completely once again.  (Their insurance will, of course, be Federally
subsidized, as such things generally are.)  The dikes will be breached
once again (look at the number of miles of them that are there) and
water will, as it inevitably does, choose to flow Downhill -- which is
where New Orleans is.

The sensible reaction would be simply to abandon New Orleans and build
a New New Orleans somewhere Uphill from where the water wants to go.
But we won't do that.

>Everyone was just hoping they'd be lucky,

They'd always been lucky in the past.  Why not once again?  Hell --
they were Almost lucky this time too!

>didn't want to rock the boat by criticizing a vengeful administration 

That's a tad over the top.  There's no reason to make that accusation.

>that couldn't care less about domestic needs --

It surely will now.  That's how these sorts of things work.

>... there are profits to be made in Iraq by KBR and Halliburton.

And here as well.  Note that the ACOE was busily trying to contract
this morning for all Manner of things to fill the breach with.  The
contracts were no-bid and dependent entirely on availability.  (Visit
the ACOE website for their news release on the matter.)

>Why ask them to do any work in the southern states of the US?

Because Prior to the disaster, there was no work that seemed all That
terribly urgent.

>Well, their luck has run out and the boats they didn't want to rock are 
>all swamped.

As I said, we don't Do pre-preparation for Acts of God.

We just react to them afterwards.

And we do Not blame God for them in the process.
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Lobby Dosser
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:25
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cor <cor@exchangenet.net> wrote:

> 
> 

As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Don Homuth
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:01
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:25:02 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:


>As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.

One may order Mandatory Evacuation as one wishes, but if there's no
way for folks to actually Do it, it won't mean much.
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Baxter
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:29
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:yTrRe.12185$qg2.882@trnddc05...
> cor <cor@exchangenet.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.

So why didn't they do like Castro and line up the buses and make sure
everybody got to safety?
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Lobby Dosser
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:44
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:25:02 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.
> 
> One may order Mandatory Evacuation as one wishes, but if there's no
> way for folks to actually Do it, it won't mean much.
> 

Point being the evacuation Had been ordered Prior to the hurricane. Your 
creative snipage is at work again.
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Lobby Dosser
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:45
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"Baxter" <lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:

> 
> "Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:yTrRe.12185$qg2.882@trnddc05...
>> cor <cor@exchangenet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.
> 
> So why didn't they do like Castro and line up the buses and make sure
> everybody got to safety?
> 
> 

Now how the hell would I know!
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Don Homuth
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:32
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:44:47 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

>Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:25:02 GMT, Lobby Dosser
>> <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.
>> 
>> One may order Mandatory Evacuation as one wishes, but if there's no
>> way for folks to actually Do it, it won't mean much.
>> 
>Point being the evacuation Had been ordered Prior to the hurricane. Your 
>creative snipage is at work again.

Point is that there was Never a way to carry it out on a sufficiently
large scale.  Which made any Official Order worthless.

Many people did leave - about 80% of them.  Which is, as these things
go, not bad.

The current crisis includes those who did Not leave and a whole bunch
of those who did.
Re: Too Late, Governor Order Everyone to Leave New Orleans
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Author: Lobby Dosser
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:32
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:44:47 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:25:02 GMT, Lobby Dosser
>>> <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>As a follow up to the PRIOR Mandatory Evacuation Order.
>>> 
>>> One may order Mandatory Evacuation as one wishes, but if there's no
>>> way for folks to actually Do it, it won't mean much.
>>> 
>>Point being the evacuation Had been ordered Prior to the hurricane.
>>Your creative snipage is at work again.
> 
> Point is that there was Never a way to carry it out on a sufficiently
> large scale.  Which made any Official Order worthless.

BOOOOOOOLSHEEEEEEEET! Look at your next sentence. Getting so you can't 
even keep up with your own backing and filling. 'Lesee, am I backing or 
filling?'

> 
> Many people did leave - about 80% of them.  Which is, as these things
> go, not bad.
> 
> The current crisis includes those who did Not leave and a whole bunch
> of those who did.
> 
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