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Article #288Re: Downtown L.A. trolleys?
From: Richard Mlynarik
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:31
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:31
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Tom Wetzel wrote: > [...] > Actually the cable cars are very close to covering their costs of operation > from fares, due to the high tourist fare. Please, stop being such a comedian. http://www.mtc.ca.gov/publications/statsum/StatSummary01.pdf page 21 for FY1999-2000: 9206000 passengers 130000 revenue hours $233.33 per revenue hour operating cost, (up from $130 in FY1996-7) $3.29 per boarding operating cost **354** full-time employee equivalents **0.37** vehicle revenue hours per employee hour (down from 0.51) **13.1%** farebox recovery (down from 36.1% in FY1996-7) If _every_ boarding were a $3 cash fare, then maybe it would come withing striking distance on operating costs. Then again, if the cable car operations were less feather-bedded by guys who like to hang out at the end of the lines having a smoke while lines of potential riders snaked around the block we might get a little above 13.1% farebox recovery also. NB that even this incredibly low 13.1% farebox recovery is still 50% better than the insanely pointless Santa Clara Light Rail system, and hundreds of millions of dollars cheaper. I do like the cable cars just fine and think they're worth subsidising as a civic and cultural amenity, though not as a welfare program for Muni's finest. I don't care for innumeracy in defence of anything.
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