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Article #292Re: MTA "Smart Card" phase 1 coming in September...
From: Mike Kincaid
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:17
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:17
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In <3C9FB5EF.1231D8F8@value.net> Silas Warner <silas@value.net> wrote: >Gerfried wrote: >Of course, the contact array has definite advantages on a smart >credit card. Mostly, it means that you have to be aware that the >card is being read, unlike a Translink card which can be read >and even written without your knowledge. Transit agencies have >apparently decided that the convenience of not having to haul the >card out of a pocket or purse is worth the loss of security. gosh, yeah... I think the Translink card is MTC's property anyway, according to the terms and conditions. I can't imagine what the security issues are; most people think of a transit ticket as something that the transit operator is allowed access to. If the card is being written to when the user is boarding a transit vehicle or something such, then it's a desirable effect (to avoid fare evasion) and other than that, what could the machine possibly want with the card? is MTC going to write personal details of your love life onto the card when you're not looking? With Translink I find that maybe 1 out of 10 times the card doesn't tag properly even within the 3-inch range. With the Caltrain machines you have to choose a zone button before the machine even notices there is a card there (I've seen a few other Translink users hold up the card, watch the machine not do anything, punch a zone button, watch it still not do anything, and walk away. you have to not move the card into the contact area until instructed to by the display -- after pressing the zone button.) The machine also takes somewhere between half a second and a second to recognize the card once it is in the target zone. The height of the machines and the fact that the card and reader need this slight delay to make contact (just longer than the amount of time you might swing a purse, etc) seems to make this impossible. If the machine did something fare-related against your will or accidentally activated, obviously the transit operator would refund the amount of the mistake. I think with a credit/ATM card these issues would be more justified, but a fare card? The only possible fear is of MTC tracking where you go and when, and they've already informed the users that indeed they are, so that takes care of that. I suppose one might as well fear what the BART gate does when you put your ticket into it.
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