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Article #309Re: FWD: Legislator Is Driven to Lift Limits on Carpool Lanes
From: Jeffrey Siegal
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:54
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:54
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David desJardins wrote: > John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> writes: > >>>Do you accept the premise that *some* highway construction projects do >>>actually increase total congestion? Either by inducing more new demand >>>than they can fulfill? Or by stimulating new demand in a place that is >>>poorly served? >>> >>I dispute it. All so-called "induced demand" is just pre-existing demand >>that was unmet before. >> > > We can use your terminology instead. The terms make no difference. The > point remains the same: building roads can create, rather than reduce > congestion. > > You have only to ask anyone who has lived on a small road which suddenly > becomes the endpoint of a new major road, and becomes congested, when it > wasn't before. However, that doesn't demostrate that "total congestion" has increased. It may have only moved from elsewhere.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd3ff,ba2409bf83ba986c X-Google-Attributes: gidfd3ff,public X-Google-Thread: f59f9,ba2409bf83ba986c X-Google-Attributes: gidf59f9,public X-Google-Thread: 10001a,ba2409bf83ba986c X-Google-Attributes: gid10001a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-26 06:54:42 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Siegal <jbs@quiotix.com> Newsgroups: la.transportation,ba.transportation,ca.driving Subject: Re: FWD: Legislator Is Driven to Lift Limits on Carpool Lanes Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:54:42 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C29E4B2.3040302@quiotix.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011221 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C1656A3.8B2CCCC@mail.net> <cb0d1u889qmf3apbnbfimbcrq1bv4el3j2@4ax.com> <9vhfi4$mmm$1@biz.compata.com> <a04sj0$iba3a$1@ID-89693.news.dfncis.de> <3C27E1DE.66389513@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> <vohadw8nfca.fsf@math.berkeley.edu> <3C2969AC.CE749F3A@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> <vohofkmmq4o.fsf@math.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25