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John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in message news:<3B1C79F0.C0568192@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>...
> > Don Hagstrom <don002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Had just 1/2 of these freeways gone in much of San Francisco's traffic
> >> problems today would not exist.  They have only themselves to blame for
> >> losing out on all those gas tax highway dollars.  Instead, they rely on 19th
> >> century trolley bus technology with those overhead wires.
> 
> david parsons wrote:
> >     The nerve of the city of San Francisco!  Spending money on
> >     transportation that benefits the people who live in San Francisco
> >     instead of spending that money on bypasses so the people can whisk
> >     from one suburb to another 5 minutes faster that before.
> 
> First, the money comes from all the state's drivers.  Second, building the
> freeway would benefit city residents too, and you know it.
> 
> The "right of self determination" is a concept that applies ONLY to
> individuals.

That is simply not true. Several Eastern European countries were founded on the
 principle of national self determination- for example, Hungary and Romania after
the first world war, and Slovakia in the early 1990's. It was also used in a 
sense during the American revolution.
 It is also true at the state level. a major theme throughout american history 
has been the balance of power between the federal government and the states.
we even had a civil war over it. although the states rights people lost, there
is still a case for individual states having some independence.
 So if it is true at the national level, and the state level, then why would it
not be true at the county level or the city level?