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Article #453Re: On The Road To Smart Growth: Article: LA Freeway Fix-Up Won't Do
From: spp
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:47
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:47
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Dave Simpson <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote: >spp@cs.berkeley.edu wrote: >>(1) San Francisco is on the tip of a penninsula, and is therefore >>is an illogical place for a freeway corridor connecting >>inland cities like Santa Rosa and San Jose. > Not only is the S.F. location an obviously logical place for a > crossing of the Golden Gate by a bridge (already achieved), it's > obviously logical to connect the freeway system north of the > Golden Gate and the bridge itself with the rest of the existing > freeway system in the City and on the Peninsula. It doesn't seem logical to me, since it's enormously expensive (even dangerous) to provide freeway capacity across a bridge, and the land within the city itself is not only highly expensive, but is already saturated with local traffic. Things work better if the long-haul, north-south traffice is routed inland. >>(2) San Francisco is an urban center (and don't try to tell me >>South Pasadena is); as such its normal to route unrelated non-city >>traffic around it -- just as Washington D.C. has a beltway, >>and London U.K. has the M25 Orbital. > We aren't even talking about a freeway that would cross > downtown itself (the Financial District), but instead would > traverse the city from north to south somewhat to the west of > it. What you are talking about will never happen, due to the impact on neighborhoods; plus if it were built, there would be no improvement over the present driving time on existing north-south arteries in western San Francisco. What a totally, completely lousy idea. Steve
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