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Article #466Re: On The Road To Smart Growth: Article: LA Freeway Fix-Up Won't Do
From: Dave Simpson
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:24
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:24
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Geoff Miller wrote: >> And, by the way, do you even live in San Francisco? > >Objection, m'lud: argumentum ad hominem circumstantial. > >What if he doesn't? That wouldn't make him wrong. I grew up in the Bay Area, and unlike "spp," I have my eyes open and my mind works. "spp" writes apparently from Berkeley, but gives knowledgeable readers the impression he's never set foot outside the University Campus with blatantly ignorant and incorrect statement after statement. The numerous logical errors in his postings add insult to injury, so to speak. No, I don't live there (I'm currently in St. Louis metro), but I know the area and make 100% accurate statements about it, unlike nearby-resident "spp". > You're obviously grasping about for an excuse not to take > what Mr. Simpson says seriously without considering his words > on their own merits. You remind me of those parents who, when >they hear someone else's ideas about disciplining children >and find them disagreeable, will immediately impose a litmus >test by asking the person if he's a parent himself. In this case, it's "spp" knowing nothing about children, making wildly incorrect and illogical statements about them, criticising someone who's making 100% correct statements about them. Only an idiot denies the need to connect the bridge to the existing freeway system in the city. The only reasonable points of disagreement concern the route, the features or "style" (choice of a tunnel or depressed vs. elevated route, for example, or use of sound walls and landscaping), and, of course, costs. http://www.soulofamerica.com/images/maps/oaksf_bayarea.gif http://www.mapblast.com/myblast/map.mb?CMD=GEO&GMI=1&AD2=&AD3=San+Francisco+CA+ http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&&csz=San+Francisco+CA+&Get%A0Map=Get+Map Some studies of a "complete" freeway system for S.F. are here, for those who wonder what people have contemplated in addition to the topic here, which has been connecting the freeway system north of San Francisco with the Peninsula. http://www.pacificnet.net/~faigin/CA-HWYS/maps-sf-fwy.html http://sffwy.cjb.com/ What's ironic about those who like San Francisco "because it's like an Eastern city with skyscrapers" is that the same kinds of people decades ago fought against those skyscrapers. http://www.sfbg.com/News/35/03/03chron.html Dave Simpson
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