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Re: On The Road To Smart Growth: Article: LA Freeway Fix-Up Won't Do

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From: Dave Simpson
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:24
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Geoff Miller wrote:

>> And, by the way, do you even live in San Francisco?
>
>Objection, m'lud: argumentum ad hominem circumstantial.
>
>What if he doesn't?  That wouldn't make him wrong.

I grew up in the Bay Area, and unlike "spp," I have my eyes
open and my mind works.  "spp" writes apparently from Berkeley,
but gives knowledgeable readers the impression he's never set
foot outside the University Campus with blatantly ignorant and
incorrect statement after statement.  The numerous logical
errors in his postings add insult to injury, so to speak.

No, I don't live there (I'm currently in St. Louis metro), but I
know the area and make 100% accurate statements about it,
unlike nearby-resident "spp".

> You're obviously grasping about for an excuse not to take
> what Mr. Simpson says seriously without considering his words
> on their own merits.  You remind me of those parents who, when
>they hear someone else's ideas about disciplining children
>and find them disagreeable, will immediately impose a litmus
>test by asking the person if he's a parent himself.

In this case, it's "spp" knowing nothing about children, making
wildly incorrect and illogical statements about them, criticising
someone who's making 100% correct statements about them.

Only an idiot denies the need to connect the bridge to the
existing freeway system in the city.  The only reasonable points
of disagreement concern the route, the features or "style" (choice
of a tunnel or depressed vs. elevated route, for example, or use
of sound walls and landscaping), and, of course, costs.

http://www.soulofamerica.com/images/maps/oaksf_bayarea.gif
http://www.mapblast.com/myblast/map.mb?CMD=GEO&GMI=1&AD2=&AD3=San+Francisco+CA+
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&&csz=San+Francisco+CA+&Get%A0Map=Get+Map


Some studies of a "complete" freeway system for S.F. are here, for those who
wonder what people
have contemplated in addition to the topic here, which has been connecting the
freeway system
north of San Francisco with the Peninsula.

http://www.pacificnet.net/~faigin/CA-HWYS/maps-sf-fwy.html
http://sffwy.cjb.com/


What's ironic about those who like San Francisco "because it's like an Eastern
city with skyscrapers"
is that the same kinds of people decades ago fought against those skyscrapers.

http://www.sfbg.com/News/35/03/03chron.html


Dave Simpson
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