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Article #469Re: On The Road To Smart Growth: Article: LA Freeway Fix-Up Won't Do
From: Geoff Miller
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 23:45
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 23:45
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spp@cs.berkeley.edu writes (to Dave Simpson): > A lot of people were opposed to building the Golden Gate > Bridge in the first place; when it was finally approved, > the social contract was that it was to be a local connector, > not part of a through highway system. The concept of a "through highway system" as we know it today didn't even exist at the time. > The people who you call "fools" are simply holding planners > to their original promises. The planners are long dead, and you may have noticed that the Bay Area, like the world at large, is a far different place than it was when the Golden Gate Bridge was completed in 1937 -- let alone when it was first envisioned. Speaking of planners and their original promises, I understand that the toll for crossing the Golden Gate Bridge was supposed to have been abolished as soon as the bridge was paid for. If you're really so reverent about holding the planners to their original promises, why don't you raise some hell about *that?* > And, by the way, do you even live in San Francisco? Objection, m'lud: argumentum ad hominem circumstantial. What if he doesn't? That wouldn't make him wrong. You're obviously grasping about for an excuse not to take what Mr. Simpson says seriously without considering his words on their own merits. You remind me of those parents who, when they hear someone else's ideas about disciplining children and find them disagreeable, will immediately impose a litmus test by asking the person if he's a parent himself. Geoff -- "Solyent Green is really retards! IT'S RETARDS!!!" -- Brian Saunders
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd3ff,74c58604d13fe39b X-Google-Attributes: gidfd3ff,public X-Google-Thread: f59f9,74c58604d13fe39b X-Google-Attributes: gidf59f9,public X-Google-Thread: 10001a,74c58604d13fe39b X-Google-Attributes: gid10001a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-28 16:46:54 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!u1.netgate.net!not-for-mail From: geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) Newsgroups: la.transportation,ba.transportation,ca.driving Subject: Re: On The Road To Smart Growth: Article: LA Freeway Fix-Up Won't Do Followup-To: la.transportation,ba.transportation,ca.driving Date: 28 May 2001 16:45:14 -0700 Organization: FizzBall Racing Message-ID: <9eunua$i45@u1.netgate.net> Sender: geoffm@netgate.net References: <b73445f7.0105201115.2d2f6246@posting.google.com> <9ektbr$psr$1@samba.rahul.net> <kaxP6.8196$r4.511911@www.newsranger.com> <9en00a$946$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: geoffm@netgate.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 47