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Don Hagstrom <don002@earthlink.net> wrote:

> spp@cs.berkeley.edu wrote 

>> I see a lot of differences between South Pasadena or the Potomac 
>> situations, and the idea of building new freeways through 
>> San Francisco:
>> 
>> (1) San Francisco is on the tip of a penninsula, and is therefore
>> is an illogical place for a freeway corridor connecting
>> inland cities like Santa Rosa and San Jose.

>No, its quite logical.  San Francisco is what I call a "Gateway City".
> It is the only reasonable way to go from Santa Clara and San Mateo
>Counties to Marin and Sonoma Counties.  Going all around the East Bay
>is NOT reasonable.

I see you declaring repeatedly that San Franciscos is
a "gateway city" and that going through the eastbay is not
"reasonable", but I don't see any substance to your argument.

Explain again why one should drive to the very tip of a penninsula
in order to travel between two inland cities.  You obviously don't 
have a logical answer.

>> (2) San Francisco is an urban center (and don't try to tell me
>> South Pasadena is); as such its normal to route unrelated non-city
>> traffic around it -- just as Washington D.C. has a beltway,
>> and London U.K. has the M25 Orbital.

> Cities with freeways through them that do just fine:  Los Angeles,
> Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Chicago, New
> York, 

New York city does NOT have a freeway through the city center.
Indeed, had NYC followed your advice for San Francisco, there would 
be a bridge from the financial district to Staten Island, connecting
to freeways to New Jersey.

But there isn't. So at this point, you're just inventing stuff.
Since you don't have a substantive argument.

> Boston (under replacement), Atlanta, Miami, San Antonio,.... I
> could go on and on.

Most of the cities you just mentioned either have severe traffic
problems despite having city-center-traversing freeways; or
they do not have an economically/culturally viable city center in 
the first place; or both.  Phoenix, for example, fits into both 
these categories.

Your "couneterexamples" are solid proof that your position 
on San Francisco is worthless.

Steve