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Robert Knowles wrote:
 
> Do you think the extremely weakened Muslim minority
> in the U.S. is going to lay all its cards on the table at this
> point?
 
If you imagine I've got something up my sleeve, I'd like you provide me
with evidence thereof.  That's only fair, Mr. Mindreader.

Or do you have a difficult time comprehending what you read?

Let's try the link again, shall we?

http://www.muslimamerica.net/

> You should think again.

You're telling me how I think.  That's rich.
 
> It is a fairly smart tactic to lay low until your number
> and support builds.  Few people (even Muslims) are
> stupid enough to come charging into a country like the
> U.S. publicly proclaiming that they plan to dominate it.
 
From http://www.muslimamerica.net/siyasa.htm

     "The third deception is the attack on Islam as inherently
anti-democratic, anti-Western, and
anti-American. 

      Islam established the first constitutional federal republic in
human history.   Muslim political
thought in the contemporary debate begins with the formation of this
political community by a
written constitution at Medina in 622 A.D., in which two distinct Jewish
states, secure in their
religion by Law, were originally sovereign in the new republic as of
right. 

      The community of muslim faithful, as the federal suzerain
constrained by its own
republican Law, reserved the power to make peace and war, conduct
diplomacy, and
adjudicate unresolveable dispute between all other included communities,
the federated
states; which otherwise retained their traditional sovereign
governments, commerce, and
bilateral relations.   This pattern, securing to each federated
community the continuation of its
own sovereign law, political administration and religious integrity, was
followed by all
successor formations of state and is followed today. 

      It is thus a fraud to assert that Islam is somehow antithetical to
America's political
institutions or that the two are inherently incompatible.   America's
federal republic derives
entirely from the very foundations of Islamic polity, as it became known
to Europe from
returning Crusaders. 

      Islamic fundamentalism simply does not qualify as an enemy for a
West to which it largely
gave birth." 

> However, before the WTC incident, I recall quite a
> few American Muslims proudly proclaiming that they
> were the fastest growing religion

This is true.

> and would soon be
> able to have some real political clout. 

That "political clout" which you speak of is largely inherent in the
foundation stones of America's political institutions.

 A few were
> even bragging that by 2020 they would be flying an
> Islamic flag (whatever the hell that is!) over the
> capitol.  That doesn't sound like the goal of people
> who are just looking to get along.

The only thing we don't "get along" with are sheep-clothed wolves who
would sooner turn America into another Gomorrah than see it survive.
 
> Of course, some dumbass terrorists essentially
> blow those chances to hell since we've been put
> on alert.

I don't see it that way, nor do I believe most others see it that way. 
Imams of mosques across the country are being flooded with new
converts.  Since 9/11, I have seen the majority of Americans reacting
favorably toward and supportively of muslims throughout the nation.
 
> Start by examining the countries where Muslims actually
> dominate to see what they really think.

That's about as fair an assessment as to pick and choose from any one
given American and determine that "this is how ALL Americans really
think."

This is the very mistake that I have *personally,* *individually* taken
pains to rectify among muslims in the Middle East, where I lived for
nearly five years.  I have told them that they shouldn't form an image
of Americans based upon what their local, national and international
media organs foist upon them.  "No," I have said, "Most Americans are
not the cynical, drunken, licentious pagans that the media portrays them
as."

I have been prepared to engage them in debate, but they didn't seem to
put up much of a fight.  IOW, they *accepted* what I said.

And where the hell have you been while I defend our country overseas? 
Your head buried in the sand?

>  That is where
> they are really free to lay out and implement their plans.

Muslims are less "free" in the millenial muslim world than you care to
imagine.  Oh, yes ... they're free to wear tight t-shirts and praise
Hitler -- all that works in favor of their enemies to begin with -- but
a democratically-elected muslim government?

I've done plenty of research on what's happened to the muslims of Turkey
for the past eight decades in the name of "democracy."  Have you?  

And take a wild guess as to who has historically turned a blind eye to
government oppression in lands populated predominantly by muslims, all
for the sake of political expediency yielding material advantage.
 
> And those plans rarely include just sitting around
> praying all day.

You must be thinking of someone else.  We know His plan is greater than
ours.

was-salaam,
iman@merr.com