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From outside the united states, this is video of palestinians
celebrating the september 11th attack.

http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20010911/video/me_reaction17.ram

This is from an editorial that appeared in an egyptian newspaper.

>>  "for the second time, thanks to Hitler, of blessed memory,
>>  who on behalf of the Palestinians, revenged in advance, 
>>  against the most vile criminals on the face of the earth. 
>>  Although we do have a complaint against him for his revenge 
>>  on them was not enough."
>> Al-Akhbar (Egypt), April 25, 2001.
> 

The quote is not from just an "anti-semite". The quote is from an
Egyptian state-owned newspaper with a circulation of 1,158,000 - which
makes it #37 in the world (in comparison, New York Times is #40). This
is
not just a marginal, "extreme" opinion.

(data taken from
http://www.mediainfo.com/ephome/research/researchhtm/world100.htm)

The following is from a conversation  by a reporter for the wall
street journal with Islamic students in egypt.

[Excerpts] Affluent Egyptians in Cairo Gloat Over Attacks While Eating
Big
Macs
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


CAIRO, Egypt -- As the Bush administration works to draw moderate Arab
states into its coalition against terrorism, it must consider the mood
at a
gleaming McDonald's outlet here on Arab League Street, a cosmopolitan
avenue
in a well-heeled neighborhood of Cairo.

Sandwiched between a Rolex watch store and a BMW car dealership, the
restaurant is packed with affluent university students dressed in
American
garb and aware of the billions of dollars in foreign aid that the U.S.
has
pumped into Egypt. It's the sort of place where one would expect to
find
sympathy for the American cause.

But listen to what they're saying.

Sitting under a poster advertising "Crispy and Delicious McWings,"
Radwa Abdallah, an 18-year-old university student, is explaining that
she
rejoiced when she learned that thousands of Americans had probably
died in
the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
"Everyone
celebrated," Ms. Abdallah says, as her girlfriends giggle. "People
honked in
the streets, cheering that finally America got what it truly
deserved."

Fellow student Raghda El Mahrouqi agrees: "I just hope there were a
lot of Jews in that building," she says. Sherihan Ammar, an aspiring
doctor
in elaborate makeup and tight T-shirt, sums up her feelings this way:
"America was just too full of itself," she says with a dismissive
gesture.

[rest of article deleted] 

So I guess the muslim world is tolerant of other religions and people,
as Iman would lead us to believe. I guess their official beliefs vary
greatly from practice. Maybe, the world of islam really is rallied
behind us? YEAH RIGHT.While I have had many moderate islamic friends,
most of them have shunned the religions from which they came, and many
refuse to go back to their homelands. I know that the whole islamic
world isn't bad, but there are an awful lot of poorly educated muslim
extremists, and propaganda believing islamic people.


On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:59:25 -0500, iman <iman@merr.com> wrote:

>Carol Lee Smith wrote:
> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27255-2001Oct20.html
>> Inescapable
>> Either You Are a Believer or an Infidel
>> By Michael Skube
>> Sunday, October 21, 2001; Page B01
>
>A nice piece of jingoism.
>
>Try something original for a change :
>
>http://www.muslimamerica.net/guide.htm
>
>Guide to Events 
>                
>Processing the Information Overload
>
>Dawud Ahmad al-Amriki
>�1993 Muslim America
>
>
>      First, do not imagine the press and media -- any press and media
>-- to be anything other
>than a party among the parties of contention.  The press are as
>agenda-driven as anyone
>else with an agenda.  They are not event-driven:  atrocities committed
>by favored parties are
>media non-events, a characteristic that cuts across all political,
>religious and ideological
>boundaries. 

What, they misreported that 100% of the terrorists in the WTC attack
were islamic? They misreported bin laden's threats against the US
government. The WTC wasn't bombed in 1993 by islamic fundamentalists?
The USS Cole wasn't rammed by an islamic suicide bomber in the persian
gulf? Is our media showing an agenda in reporting that US embacies
being bombed africa and lebanon by islamic organizations? Were those
lies? What was the agenda in giving the facts of attacks against our
people? There is no justifcation for these attacks. They were not self
defense. The US was posing no threat. 
>
>      Second, do not imagine error or ineptitude, especially where it is
>the main apparent
>characteristic of an event.  Error and ineptitude pave the way to
>scape-goating, an easy way
>to conceal the strategic decision that led to the event.  Look instead
>at the effect of an event
>to see its cause:  the likely cause is intent to produce that effect. 
>
>      Third, do not imagine motives to be beyond what you yourself can
>conceive and
>understand, but do not imagine that events proceed from values and
>motives like your own: 
>such has not been the case.  Parties have all the motives of princes
>with none of their
>restraints:  look for a political or strategic purpose behind the
>personal desires or defects
>advanced to mask it. 
>
>      Fourth, before asking why a regime acts savagely, ask first why it
>does not.  The nature of
>police power in any party is to prevent, paralyze, and penalize
>savagery: savagery exists only
>when government fails in this purpose, which requires government to be
>ready to meet
>savagery on its own terms.  Why, then, does a capable force not do so? 
>Behind this is the
>answer to why it acts with savagery when and where it does. 
>
>      Fifth, do not imagine that you receive real answers when you ask
>questions:  ask
>questions to assess the answerer's capacity to perceive truth and
>integrity in telling it.  Seek
>answers in your own observations and in your own assessments based on
>your own
>judgment of what you are offered as "facts;" and reconsider the entirety
>whenever a new fact
>becomes available to you.  While truth is often apparent, "answers"
>seldom arise from it but
>from rather less; sometimes from ignorance, but always where the parties
>hold an advantage
>based on concealing the truth, which is most often. 

All of these previous paragraphs are meaningless drivel. None state
anything. Hell it's like reading through vague, and contradictory
prose from the bible, or reading some abstract poetry.
>
>      Sixth, do not imagine that you are actually threatened:  see that
>you are, why, how, and by
>whom, and continue to assess until you do.  Otherwise, until you have
>the facts, the most
>dangerous threat is your own imagination: your enemies capitalize on
>this precise fact. 

Bozo, we have, and are being attacked. By the way, 100% of the
terrorists on the planes just happened to be of islamic belief. I
guess that's just a coincidence, though.
>
>      Seventh, Jews and Christians are warned to prepare for Armageddon
>by beating their
>swords into plowshares, Muslims for The Hour by becoming like the better
>son of Adam: 
>instead, Jews, Christians and Muslims -- many and few -- are actively
>promoting Apocalypse. 
>Avoid Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or believing that you (or those of
>your communion) are
>uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world, or a
>remnant, or to usher in a
>new world or a new message for the faithful, while this world falls away
>into the Fire.  This
>all-time favorite tool of deception is today a main event in media
>circuses and more often fatal.


Here's where the bozo loses credibilty, knocking and denouncing
other's religious beliefs. It is a complete contradiction of the
mission statement of his website. I guess he really is inclusive, and
tolerant of the rest of the world.
>
>
>
>was-salaam,
>iman@merr.com