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"Steve Henderson" <etaoinsh@keytech.com> wrote in message
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> "Verne" <Verne@whitetrashcafe.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >> Another conspiracy nut
> > > > > >
> > > > > >How so?  Even the most limited observational powers and
> comprehension
> > > of
> > > > > >logic will allow one to see that any politician and/or
> > > > bureaucracy -will-,
> > > > > >when given the proverbial inch, take the proverbial mile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If you don't/can't/won't see this, it doesn't say much for you,
> does
> > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the same in the UK, btw.  The PM is openly speaking against
> > > > > thw whole idea of human rights and is, for example, demanding the
> > power
> > > > > to  imprison political prisoners indefinitely without trial.  The
> only
> > > > > thing stopping him is the fact that he has signed a human rights
> > > > > convention preventing things like that, but I doubt if that will
> stop
> > > him.
> > > > >
> > > > > He did say that the UK authorities did not need greater powers
> > > > > to spy on British subjects using mobile phones or the internet.
> > > > > That is true - they have total power to do that now.  Blanket
> > > > > surveillance is legal.  No warrant required.  No suspicion of
> > > > > criminal activity required.  Blanket surveillance on any or all
> > > > > of the population.
> > > >
> > > > Ok to both of you, your [sic] making the point that this terrorist
act
> > is
> > > a plot
> > > > to take away individual freedom from the western nations of the UK
and
> > the
> > > > USA. Making the point that some freedom may suffer a temporary
setback
> > > due
> > > > to this act of war is not making that point. You need to show a
> > connection
> > > > between our governments and the bombing. Your idle speculation is
> > mindless
> > > > and useless
> > >
> > > I made NO such point.  I'm using my eyes and brain to SEE exactly what
> > human
> > > nature and -power- does to someone in power.
> > >
> > > I need make no such connection, either as it isn't relevant to my
> comment.
> > > Nor was this relevant to your "another conspiracy nut" comment.
> > >
> > > >  Make that point or admit your [sic] just spouting b.s.
> > >
> > > You just can't stand that someone saw through your BS.
> >
> > You can not and will never show a conspiracy. In other words you have no
> > point to make so you went off in another direction.
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> Damn.  I was not trying to show a conspiracy.  I was deriding your idea
that
> there -was- a conspiracy.  What was so difficult about that?

You make an insinuation and take offence that I called you on it

>
> > So is your claim now that this terrorist activity may have
coincidentally
> > caused a loss of personally freedom?
>
> Absolutely.  Those in power used this as an excuse to gain -more- power.

Or more likely they are simple responding to a real threat. Or don't you
believe Islamic extremists are a real threat?

>
> > And that some in power may like this?  Who are these people and why
would
> > they do this?
>
> Because they are human.  Humans DO that.

I don't, do you?  No most humans don't so why do you think the leaders of
the USA and the UK are trying to take away your civil liberties? And what
liberties do they want taken?
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> > Do they have a dark purpose?
>
> Probably not, beyond the garnering of more power.

For what purpose?

>
> >  Are they involved with the terrorists in some way?
> >
> > Nobody on this thread seems able to stick to a point. Try making one and
> > back it up, if not with facts at lest with reason
>
> Of all those IN this thread, the only one bouncing around without
direction
> is YOU.

The subject is "why do they want to kill us" Your making claims about the
real purpose being the restricting of civil rights and your comments on
foreign police seem to indicate you believe we "had it coming"

You seem to want to make vague accusations  than take offence when your
asked to make your point clear then back your remakes up. Try it

Verne
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