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"Verne" <Verne@whitetrashcafe.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's the same in the UK, btw.  The PM is openly speaking against
> > > > > > thw whole idea of human rights and is, for example, demanding
the
> > > power
> > > > > > to  imprison political prisoners indefinitely without trial.
The
> > only
> > > > > > thing stopping him is the fact that he has signed a human rights
> > > > > > convention preventing things like that, but I doubt if that will
> > stop
> > > > him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He did say that the UK authorities did not need greater powers
> > > > > > to spy on British subjects using mobile phones or the internet.
> > > > > > That is true - they have total power to do that now.  Blanket
> > > > > > surveillance is legal.  No warrant required.  No suspicion of
> > > > > > criminal activity required.  Blanket surveillance on any or all
> > > > > > of the population.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok to both of you, your [sic] making the point that this terrorist
> act
> > > is
> > > > a plot
> > > > > to take away individual freedom from the western nations of the UK
> and
> > > the
> > > > > USA. Making the point that some freedom may suffer a temporary
> setback
> > > > due
> > > > > to this act of war is not making that point. You need to show a
> > > connection
> > > > > between our governments and the bombing. Your idle speculation is
> > > mindless
> > > > > and useless
> > > >
> > > > I made NO such point.  I'm using my eyes and brain to SEE exactly
what
> > > human
> > > > nature and -power- does to someone in power.
> > > >
> > > > I need make no such connection, either as it isn't relevant to my
> > comment.
> > > > Nor was this relevant to your "another conspiracy nut" comment.
> > > >
> > > > >  Make that point or admit your [sic] just spouting b.s.
> > > >
> > > > You just can't stand that someone saw through your BS.
> > >
> > > You can not and will never show a conspiracy. In other words you have
no
> > > point to make so you went off in another direction.
> >
> > Damn.  I was not trying to show a conspiracy.  I was deriding your idea
> that
> > there -was- a conspiracy.  What was so difficult about that?
>
> You make an insinuation and take offence that I called you on it

Like hell I did.

You said:

> Another conspiracy nut

Then, I said:

>How so?  Even the most limited observational powers and comprehension
>of  logic will allow one to see that any politician and/or
bureaucracy -will-,
>when given the proverbial inch, take the proverbial mile.

I made NO insinuation.  I asked you a question and stated -my- take on it.
I didn't come at it (or you) sideways.  I stated flat-out what I thought.

I also said (and still stand by the statement):

>If you don't/can't/won't see this, it doesn't say much for you, does it?

Then, you said:

> So is your claim now that this terrorist activity may have coincidentally
> caused a loss of personally [sic] freedom?

Me, again:

> > Absolutely.  Those in power used this as an excuse to gain -more- power.

And, now you:

> Or more likely they are simple responding to a real threat. Or don't you
> believe Islamic extremists are a real threat?

Do you have "tangent" tattooed on your forehead?

I stated, in no uncertain terms, exactly what I believe has and will happen
as far as -power- is concerned.  I made NO comment on either Islamic
extremists OR Islamic moderates.

All I've done with this message is edit it for readability, I've removed or
changed nothing of the content.

> > > And that some in power may like this?  Who are these people and why
> > > would  they do this?
> >
> > Because they are human.  Humans DO that.
>
> I don't, do you?  No most humans don't so why do you think the leaders of
> the USA and the UK are trying to take away your civil liberties? And what
> liberties do they want taken?

You most certainly do.  You are trying to take control of
this -conversation- using innuendo, accusations, and out-of-context
statements.

If you can't see that others -will- take advantage of -any- situation for
personal gain, you aren't much of a student of human nature or even the
humans around you, then.

> > > Do they have a dark purpose?
> >
> > Probably not, beyond the garnering of more power.
>
> For what purpose?

For some, there IS no purpose beyond the garnering of more power.

> > >  Are they involved with the terrorists in some way?
> > >
> > > Nobody on this thread seems able to stick to a point. Try making one
and
> > > back it up, if not with facts at lest with reason
> >
> > Of all those IN this thread, the only one bouncing around without
> > direction is YOU.
>
> The subject is "why do they want to kill us" Your making claims about the
> real purpose being the restricting of civil rights and your comments on
> foreign police seem to indicate you believe we "had it coming"

I answered your tangential questions.  I directly stated that the comments
made were NOT conspiracy theories.  How the hell did you get where you ended
up from what I said?  Even more to the point, where the hell are
you -going-?

> You seem to want to make vague accusations  than take offence when your
> asked to make your point clear then back your remakes up. Try it

You need to try reading for comprehension.  I made NO accusation, I
refuted -your- accusation that Mr. Clem's statements were "conspiracy
theory".

Check the thread.  YOU did the finger-pointing and name-calling.  I called
you on it.