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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Kenneth R. ~krp~ Pangborn, who accuses others of
**namecalling**, wrote:

> > ...That appears to be from a news report of accusations, not proof of 
> > anything.

> NOTHING you don't want to believe is EVER proof of anything. For ONE THING 
> **ditz,** it proves that *I* didn't make it up as you claim!

Nothing you have posted is proof of anything.  It is accusation and
opinion.

> > At that link, the words "Churchill" and "wife" do not appear.

> Of course not since you altered the URL to an aryicle on George Bush.

Anyone can click on the URL you provided and discover that the material
there changes from day to day.  When I visited the site, the words
"Churchill" and "wife" did not appear.

The archives will confirm that the URL was not altered in any way.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/milw.general/browse_frm/thread/8085d2e81973fb30/6a3419e578dc9417#6a3419e578dc9417

> >> > I don't consider your comments as any sort of proof.

> >> I gave about half a dozen links Carol, But go ahead and LIE and say I did
> >> not!

> > Links to news reports are not proof.

> NOITHING [sic] that disagree [sic] with the outer space beliefs of Carol
Smith EVER are proof!>

There you go again, Kenny, waxing prophetic on alleged "beliefs" of other
people.  As I told you before, your crystal ball is cracked.
 
> (Twilight Zone theme plays)

> >> >> >> I posted the references to where Churchill's claims of Indian 
> >> >> >> heritage are rebuked.

> >> >> > I have seen no proof either way.

> >> >> Yes Carol - in psychology we call that "living in denial."  It's all
> >> >> there.
> >> >> Churchill makes SPECIFIC CLAIMS... That he got his indian blood from a
> >> >> SOURCE, that source denies the claim, saying he is NOT indian but
> >> >> "white."

> >> > Of what "SOURCE" do you speak.  Are you suggesting that his
> >> > great-great-grandfather came to you in a dream?

> >> READ THE DAMN ARTICLES CAROL!! Or just LIE and say I never posted
> >> the links to them.. You do THAT so werll and so FREQUENTLY!

> > "DAMN ARTICLES" ??  News reports?  Do you believe everything you read in
> > News reports and "DAMN ARTICLES"?

> Sometimes I believe them Carol when they are well documented. But then you 
> do the same. Your problem is that when the articles don't go your way you 
> just deny them, when they do you beat people to death with them. Carol 
> you're funny, at least you're a joke.

Review the thread, and show us to what claims/denials you refer.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/milw.general/browse_frm/thread/8085d2e81973fb30/6a3419e578dc9417#6a3419e578dc9417

> > From what "SOURCE" did he claim he got indian blood?
 
> A grear great grandfather who unfortunately for Churchill disavowed having 
> any Indian blood. Life's a bitch when you lie isn't it?

I will leave it to you to pass judgment on the issue.
 
> >> >> To YOU that is NOT PROOF! To the THINKING world (the not bullshit
> >> >> infested)
> >> >> that IS PROOF!  He has consistenly LIED his ass off about Indian
> >> >> heritage.
> >> >> Maybe I am sensitive to this becayse my first wife WAS 50% native
> >> >> American.

> >> > So, she wasn't a "keeper" ??

> >>  Not when she starte don the "fire water" and drugs she wasn't. My
> >> present wife is "indiginous" from Cuba. Meaning that when the Spaniards
> >> (Columbus landed in Cuba) her family was there to welcome them.

> >> > My son-in-law is 100% indigenous.  And I think he is a keeper.

> >> I wonder if he thinks the same about you.

> > Who cares what you wonder.

> Lots of people.

These alleged multituted are welcome to weigh in here in your support,
Kenny.

... 

> >> I don't need one all I need to do is read your DAILY VENOM!

> > You may, true to form, make any accusations you would like.

>     Sure and you are free to prove me right.

Let me know when I do that, Kenny.  The thread is here for your review:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/milw.general/browse_frm/thread/8085d2e81973fb30/6a3419e578dc9417#6a3419e578dc9417


> > I doubt anyone would believe your claims of what I said for truth without
> > checking the archives to see what I actually have said.
 
> SAYING CAROL  SAYING! They don't have to spend hours on Google looking up 
> your venom when it is in near 100% of your posts.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/milw.general/browse_frm/thread/8085d2e81973fb30/6a3419e578dc9417#6a3419e578dc9417

has this thread, and google archives have everything I have written in
this thread and many others.

If you want to take issue with something I have said, provide a quote.
That is how it is done, Kenny.

You have been taking issue with what you THINK someone else has said.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/milw.general/browse_frm/thread/8085d2e81973fb30/6a3419e578dc9417#6a3419e578dc9417
 
> >> >> The woman's works were PUBLISHED as were that of Churchill.
> >> >> Media bveen all over that one. Her work came years first, publioshed,
> >> >> copyrights, then his work lifting whole secitions of hers with NO
> >> >> attribution. THAT is fraud and plagerism [sic].


> >> > You can provide cites for that information any time you are ready.

> >> I already did buty feel welcome to LIE AGAIN and claim I didn't.

> > The quotes you provided reside here:

> > Football Fans And Beyond: Brookhiser on Ward Churchill
> > ... spread by traders. He has also been accused of three instances of
> > plagiarism, one of them from his former wife. Here, for connoisseurs ...
> > www.footballfansfortruth.us/archives/000750.html

> Gee Carol that was a link in the actual article I linked, not the main link 
> I used.

Just go to that main link and copy and paste what you have alleged is
there.  Today.

> > That is proof of nothing.  And the "link" leads to the article which
> > doesn't mention Churchill.
 
> Try following the original link I used and not the link from the link from 
> the link. It'll work better.

You try it.

Here is your post, complete with URL which is the exact same one I checked
before and just checked again.  The key words are not there now, and they
weren't there before.
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krp 	  Feb 22, 4:49 am     show options
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.retirement, pa.politics, dc.politics,
wash.politics
From: "krp" <web24...@verizon.net> - Find messages by this author
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:49:01 GMT
Local: Tues, Feb 22 2005 4:49 am
Subject: Re: See & Hear Ward Churchill for Yourself - "Some People Push
Back"

"Carol Lee Smith" <h...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050221232630.32042B-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...

> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, krp wrote:

>> > Not what I saw on C SPAN as he defended his essay at a Colorado State
>> > meeting. Indians were out in force to back him up.

>> In force huh? How many? Name ONE tribe that accepts him as a member?
>> Name
>> ONE Indian nation that has him  on their tribal census. Shall we go
>> down a list of his falsehoods?

> Oh yes.  Let's.

How much do we have to go past the FACT that he has NO Native American
blood yet he claims to have? He claims to be one eighth Cherokee ancestry
yet the Cherokee nation says  "NOPE!"  Shall we start there, or do you
need more?

Shall we go to his totally false claims of the small pox epidemic in 1837?
I mean A WHOPPER there..  That the U.S. Army on orders used biological
warfare against the Indians by deliberately infecting them with smallpox.

Not to mention his erroneous claims that "Jews" were the real culprits on
9-11.

http://www.observer.com/pages/observer.asp

"Mr. Churchill's job hangs on other factors besides his prose. The ethnic
group he studies is the Native American, for whom he claims special
affinity as a part-Cherokee, but it turns out he is no more Cherokee than
Andrew Jackson. He has been accused of doctoring footnotes, claiming to
prove that a smallpox epidemic among the Mandan Indians of the Midwest in
1837 was deliberately introduced by U.S. Army, when in fact the sources he
cited said the disease was accidentally spread by traders."

"He has also been accused of three instances of plagiarism, one of them
from his former wife."

So Carol ........ Your move. 
-----end of Kenneth R. Pangborn's post---

 
> >> > Until I read a reliable source, I have no opinion to share.  You can
> >> > continue to offer your opinion til the cows come home.  I am not
> >> > interested in forming an opinion based upon yours.

> >> Carol NO SOURCE that disagree with your INSANE BULLSHIT is ever 
> >> "reliable" to you!

> > Why is it you offer no direct quote from me?  Is it that you are imagining
> > what you attribute to me?

> >> And it is gets uncomfortable,

> > Huh?

> >> you just DENY ever having seen it
> >> no matter how many times your ugly nose is rubbed in it!

> > Having seen what?

>>>>>>> (ACADEMIC FRAUD CAROL!) Not to mention the FALSE claims of the U.S. Army biological warfare against the Indians being a product of his own mind.  NEVER  HAPPENED CAROL!!<<<<<<<

> >> >> > I never claimed it did happen.  I asked for detail and proof and
> >> >> > evidence.

> >> >> Carol it did NOT happen.

> >> > See above.

> >> READ THE ARTICLES you were providde or LIE AGAIN and say they weren't
> >> provided. Do what you ALWAYS do!

> > The links you provided PROVE nothing.

> >> > <snip Kenneth R. Pangborn's interpretation of history>

> >> It was RECORDED history Carol had you READ the links I provided you'd 
> >> KNOW that.

> > News articles and opinion pieces are not proof.

> >> But you are the little SNIT with the fingers in her ears going "LA LA
> >> LA LA LA LA LA" so she doesn't have to see just HOW wrong she is!

> >> >> > I reserve judgment until I have it.  That is the only honorable 
> >> >> > stance,
> >> >> > as far as I am concerned.
> >>  >> Carol........... it is a tap dance.

> >> > Why do you think it necessary I agree with you?

> >> Look STUPID it isn't **ME** you are agreeing with it is HISTORY and
> >> FACTS!

> > What is Fact(s)?

> >> >> The evidence is there. What DID happen
> >> >> is well documented in history. The sources I gave had further LINKS to
> >> >> that
> >> >> information. That YOU in your ARROGANCE refuse to follow those links 
> >> >> is NOT MY PROBLEM it is YOUR DISHONESTY!

> >> > To what dishonesty do you refer?

> >> Like your claims that NO LINKS have EVER been provided...

> > A direct quote, please.  You may have provided links. What did those
> > links prove?

> > Please provide a direct quote in which I claimed that "NO LINKS have EVER
> > been provided."

> >> > What did I insist was true which isn't?

> >> > Please provide appropriate citations.

> >> SHOVE IT!

> > Thank you for confirming you haven't provided proof of anything.

> Carol your shoulders are round from patting yourself on the back without 
> cause.

In case you need more review:

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