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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message 
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050225231837.2038F-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...

>> >> Well Carol THEN that is YOUR obligation. The FACT is that Chucrchill's
>> >> claims that a "biological earfare unit of the U.S. Army plotted to 
>> >> commit
>> >> genicide on the Indian people" citing the 1837 events was a BALD FACE 
>> >> LIE..
>> >> NEVER HAPPEND! "original source documents' on a FICTITIOUS EVENT 
>> >> Carol?
>> >> HOW? FROM WHERE?

>> > Before I comment on what Ward Churchhill wrote, I would prefer to read
>> > what he wrote.  I would not venture to form an opinion on what you say 
>> > he
>> > wrote.

>> THEN READ IT or STFU!

(I NOTE you did NEITHER!)

>> >> >> You asked for "REFERENTS" and I
>> >> >> provided them you SNIPPED them AGAIN!
>> >> >> Disregarded them or rationalized them.

>> >> > I snipped what were allegations.  I did not snip proof.
>
>> >> Carol YOU don't get to decide what is proof. I sourced my statements. 
>> >> If
>> >> Churchill's former wife wrote an article some years before 
>> >> (COPYRIGHTED  AND
>> >> PUBLISHED) and then Churchill later included her work and claimed it 
>> >> as
>> >> HIS is very much PROOF that he LIED.

>> > Perhaps you could provide a link to information about this.

>> I DID SILLY! Now you will AGAIN claim I did not.

> Concerning Churchill's former wife, this is what you posted:

> --------------
> http://www.observer.com/pages/observer.asp
>
> " ... He has also been accused of three instances of plagiarism, one of
> them from his former wife."
> -----------

NOT my article Carol but one on BUSH.... Having problems SNIPPING again?

Here are sopme MORE links Carol will SNIP or alter:

http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/003220.html
http://hnn.us/blogs/2.html?id=1829

"Thomas Brown, a professor of sociology at Lamar University, has written a 
paper that outlines what looks like a more conventional form of academic 
fraud on Churchill's part. According to Brown, Churchill fabricated a story 
about the U.S. Army intentionally creating a smallpox epidemic among the 
Mandan tribe in 1837, by simply inventing almost all of the story's most 
crucial facts, and then attributing these "facts" to sources that say 
nothing of the kind. "

"One has only to read the sources that Churchill cites to realize the 
magnitude of his fraudulent claims for them," Brown writes. "We are not 
dealing with a few minor errors here. We are dealing with a story that 
Churchill has fabricated almost entirely from scratch. The lack of 
rationality on Churchill's part is mind-boggling." (Brown's essay can be 
read here: http://hal.lamar.edu/~browntf/Churchill1.htm.)

Similar charges have been leveled against Churchill by University of New 
Mexico law professor John Lavelle, a Native American scholar who has 
documented what appear to be equally fraudulent claims on Churchill's part 
regarding the General Allotment Act, one of the most important federal laws 
dealing with Indian lands. (Lavelle also accuses Churchill of plagiarism). "

Carol I am not going top spend all day and all night PLAYING with you. Here 
are a FEW of the hundreds of citations documenting wehat I have said. POleas 
feel free to wait until tomorrow and SCREAM that I have NEVER offered any 
support for my claims...

  1.. Crooked Timber: More on Ward Churchill
  February 08, 2005. More on Ward Churchill. Posted by Henry. Via 
Cliopatria, Thomas Brown, an assistant professor of sociology at Lamar 
University, has posted an essay that accuses Ward Churchill of having 
committed fraud in his research. ... me once that King was guilty of 
plagiarism in his academic life ...
  www.crookedtimber.org/archives/003220.html - 177k - Cached - More from 
this site
  2.. Trolling in Shallow Water
  Trolling in Shallow Water. Science, Politics, and the Debatable Land 
between. Tuesday, February 08, 2005. Ward Churchill ... of the blogosphere 
and elsewhere, over Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor who 
... Lavelle also accuses Churchill of plagiarism). This pretty much decides 
my opinion ...
  shallows.blogspot.com/2005/02/ward-churchill.html - 19k - Cached - More 
from this site
  3.. Ward Churchill's Research Fraud
  ... military ever deploy smallpox blankets? Ward Churchill says they did 
... epidemic that Churchill says killed more than 125,000 people. Ward 
Churchill's habit of plagiarism and research ...
  hal.lamar.edu/~browntf/Churchill1.htm - 59k - Cached - More from this site
  4.. Instapundit.com -
  ... WARD CHURCHILL UPDATE: University of Colorado Law Professor Paul 
Campos says that Churchill has problems ... Lavelle also accuses Churchill 
of plagiarism). At my institution, we don't ...
  www.instapundit.com/archives/021069.php - 38k - Cached - More from this 
site
  5.. Ward Churchill: Proud 0.009384% Cherokee | Metafilter
  ... Ward Churchill controversy by fellow CU professor Paul Campos alleges 
that in addition to research fraud and plagiarism, Churchill ... 9. This 
Ward Churchill stuff is remarkable for ...
  www.metafilter.com/mefi/39442 - 37k - Cached - More from this site
  6.. No Left Turns Archive
  Blog from the John M. Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashland 
University in Ashland, Ohio. ... Did anyone catch Ward Churchill on C-SPAN 
Saturday night? ( ... a portion of his own speech/article almost qualifies 
as plagiarism. Indeed, the logical flaws I identified above come ...
  noleftturns.ashbrook.org/?archiveID=6022 - 87k - Cached - More from this 
site
  7.. Watcher of Weasels: Ward Churchill: The Fraudulent Professor
  Recent Entries. The Coalition of the Willing. Ward Churchill: The 
Fraudulent Professor. The Council Has Spoken! Weekly Roundup of Weekly 
Roundups. Fired Up. Submitted for Your Approval. A Sickness of the Soul. 
Thank You, Come Again!
  www.watcherofweasels.com/archives/001528.html - 25k - Cached - More from 
this site
  8.. TalkLeft: Report on Biased Ward Churchill Coverage
  ... Mountain News column today on media coverage of the Ward Churchill 
controversy. It is such a misnomer ... could fire him for his plagiarism, 
lies in publications (see Belleisles), and ...
  www.talkleft.com/new_archives/009687.html - 55k - Cached - More from this 
site
  9.. Keyword
  ... statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill 
in relationship to the 9-11 tragedy in ... for his academic writing and even 
of plagiarism. At least one member ...
  www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=aim - 92k - Cached - More from this 
site
  10.. Rocky Mountain News: Columnists
  ... The deeper one digs into the Ward Churchill scandal, the more amazing 
the story becomes ... Lavelle also accuses Churchill of plagiarism). The 
saddest aspect of Churchill's case is that ...
  rockymountainnews.com/drmn/.../article/0,1299,DRMN_86_3530404,00.html - 
49k - Cached - More from this site

> That appears to be from a news report of accusations, not proof of 
> anything.


NOTHING you don't want to believe is EVER proof of anything. For ONE THING 
ditz, it proves that *I* didn't make it up as you claim!

Read the sources included in the article Carol?

> At that link, the words "Churchill" and "wife" do not appear.

Of course not since you altered the URL to an aryicle on George Bush.

>> >> >> Must I post them EVERY DAMNED MESSAGE?
>> >> >> This gets SOOOOOOO OLD and NO annoying.
>
>> >> > Tough.
>
>> >> No Carol PROOF that you are DISHONEST!  Thanks for TWICE in a short 
>> >> space
>> >> that you DELETE things that you don't like and then go on to claim 
>> >> that
>> >> no proof was offered at all. THAT little girl is LYING!
>
>> > I don't consider your comments as any sort of proof.
>
>> I gave about half a dozen links Carol, But go ahead and LIE and say I did
>> not!

> Links to news reports are not proof.

NOITHING that disagree with the outer space beliefs of Carol Smith EVER are 
proof!

(Twilight Zone theme plays)

>> >> >> I posted the references to where Churchill's claims of Indian 
>> >> >> heritage
>> >> >> are rebuked.

>> >> > I have seen no proof either way.

>> >> Yes Carol - in psychology we call that "living in denial."  It's all
>> >> there.
>> >> Churchill makes SPECIFIC CLAIMS... That he got his indian blood from a
>> >> SOURCE, that source denies the claim, saying he is NOT indian but
>> >> "white."
>
>> > Of what "SOURCE" do you speak.  Are you suggesting that his
>> > great-great-grandfather came to you in a dream?
>
>> READ THE DAMN ARTICLES CAROL!! Or just LIE and say I never posted
>> the links to them.. You do THAT so werll and so FREQUENTLY!

> "DAMN ARTICLES" ??  News reports?  Do you believe everything you read in
> News reports and "DAMN ARTICLES"?

Sometimes I believe them Carol when they are well documented. But then you 
do the same. Your problem is that when the articles don't go your way you 
just deny them, when they do you beat people to death with them. Carol 
you're funny, at least you're a joke.

> From what "SOURCE" did he claim he got indian blood?

A grear great grandfather who unfortunately for Churchill disavowed having 
any Indian blood. Life's a bitch when you lie isn't it?

>> >> To YOU that is NOT PROOF! To the THINKING world (the not bullshit
>> >> infested)
>> >> that IS PROOF!  He has consistenly LIED his ass off about Indian
>> >> heritage.
>> >> Maybe I am sensitive to this becayse my first wife WAS 50% native
>> >> American.

>> > So, she wasn't a "keeper" ??
>
>>  Not when she starte don the "fire water" and drugs she wasn't. My
>> present wife is "indiginous" from Cuba. Meaning that when the Spaniards
>> (Columbus landed in Cuba) her family was there to welcome them.

>> > My son-in-law is 100% indigenous.  And I think he is a keeper.

>> I wonder if he thinks the same about you.

> Who cares what you wonder.

Lots of people.

>> >> Complete with tribal registry [sic] so i know what a REAL native
>> > American is, and I have three daughters that are also on tribal roles. 
>> > So
>> > cut your  BULLSHITTING Ms., Smith! After a while it gets offensive. The
>> > man if he has  ANY (and I suspect I have as much as HE does) it isn't
>> > much. My present wife  (Cuban) has "indiginous" [sic] blood. She is
>> > mostly of Spanish heritage but has  some native blood as well. Her
>> > ancestors were there to welcome Columbus when  he landed in Cuba.>>

>> > Thank you so much for the pithy family history.

>> Glad you enjoyed it. I never make much of the fact that I have some 
>> "native"
>> blood WAY BACK, actually closer than Churchill and more of it. Me no 
>> claimum
>> to be redman!  Heap big pow wow at the teepee tonight...!  HUMMM!

>> >> >> I posted where even his former wife accuses him of plagiarizing HER
>> >> >> earlier published works and claiming them as his own.
>
>> >> > Are you saying that what you posted was absolute proof that any
>> >> > allegations by his wife were true?
>
>> >> Well some things are FACTS Caol

>> > The name's Carol.

>> OH look she found another Typo, I do that when I go too fast Carol

>> >> no matter how they upset your EXTREMIST political views.

>> > Your crystal ball is cracked.

>> I don't need one all I need to do is read your DAILY VENOM!

> You may, true to form, make any accusations you would like.

    Sure and you are free to prove me right.

> I doubt anyone would believe your claims of what I said for truth without
> checking the archives to see what I actually have said.

SAYING CAROL  SAYING! They don't have to spend hours on Google looking up 
your venom when it is in near 100% of your posts.

>> >> The woman's works were PUBLISHED as were that of Churchill.
>> >> Media bveen all over that one. Her work came years first, publioshed,
>> >> copyrights, then his work lifting whole secitions of hers with NO
>> >> attribution. THAT is fraud and plagerism [sic].
>
>> > You can provide cites for that information any time you are ready.
>
>> I already did buty feel welcome to LIE AGAIN and claim I didn't.

> The quotes you provided reside here:

> Football Fans And Beyond: Brookhiser on Ward Churchill
> ... spread by traders. He has also been accused of three instances of
> plagiarism, one of them from his former wife. Here, for connoisseurs ...
> www.footballfansfortruth.us/archives/000750.html

Gee Carol that was a link in the actual article I linked, not the main link 
I used.

> That is proof of nothing.  And the "link" leads to the article which
> doesn't mention Churchill.

Try following the original link I used and not the link from the link from 
the link. It'll work better.

>> > Until I read a reliable source, I have no opinion to share.  You can
>> > continue to offer your opinion til the cows come home.  I am not
>> > interested in forming an opinion based upon yours.
>
>> Carol NO SOURCE that disagree with your INSANE BULLSHIT is ever 
>> "reliable"
>> to you!
>
> Why is it you offer no direct quote from me?  Is it that you are imagining
> what you attribute to me?
>
>> And it is gets uncomfortable,
>
> Huh?
>
>> you just DENY ever having seen it
>> no matter how many times your ugly nose is rubbed in it!
>
> Having seen what?
>
>
>> > > >> (ACADEMIC FRAUD
>> >> >> CAROL!) Not to mention the FALSE claims of the U.S. Army biological
>> >> >> warfare
>> >> >> against the Indians being a product of his own mind.  NEVER 
>> >> >> HAPPENED
>> >> >> CAROL!!
>
>> >> > I never claimed it did happen.  I asked for detail and proof and
>> >> > evidence.
>
>> >> Carol it did NOT happen.
>
>> > See above.
>
>> READ THE ARTICLES you were providde or LIE AGAIN and say they weren't
>> provided. Do what you ALWAYS do!
>
> The links you provided PROVE nothing.
>
>> > <snip Kenneth R. Pangborn's interpretation of history>
>
>> It was RECORDED history Carol had you READ the links I provided you'd 
>> KNOW
>> that.
>
> News articles and opinion pieces are not proof.
>
>> But you are the little SNIT with the fingers in her ears going "LA LA
>> LA LA LA LA LA" so she doesn't have to see just HOW wrong she is!
>
>> >> > I reserve judgment until I have it.  That is the only honorable 
>> >> > stance,
>> >> > as far as I am concerned.
>>  >> Carol........... it is a tap dance.
>
>> > Why do you think it necessary I agree with you?
>
>> Look STUPID it isn't **ME** you are agreeing with it is HISTORY and
>> FACTS!
>
> What is Fact(s)?
>
>> >> The evidence is there. What DID happen
>> >> is well documented in history. The sources I gave had further LINKS to
>> >> that
>> >> information. That YOU in your ARROGANCE refuse to follow those links 
>> >> is
>> >> NOT MY PROBLEM it is YOUR DISHONESTY!
>
>> > To what dishonesty do you refer?
>
>> Like your claims that NO LINKS have EVER been provided...
>
> A direct quote, please.  You may have provided links. What did those
> links prove?
>
> Please provide a direct quote in which I claimed that "NO LINKS have EVER
> been provided."
>
>> > What did I insist was true which isn't?
>
>> > Please provide appropriate citations.
>
>> SHOVE IT!
>
> Thank you for confirming you haven't provided proof of anything.


Carol your shoulders are round from patting yourself on the back without 
cause.




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