🚀 go-pugleaf

On 24 Feb 2005, Barney Lyon wrote:

<snip> what Imno1 wrote

> I'm troubled by the practice these days of looking to somehow mitigate
> the U.S.'s responsibility once the full understanding of the U.S.' role
> behind atrocities becomes public.

> "Look at what Europe does," "Look at what the UN does," are the
> equivalent of "All of the other kids were doing something bad."

> We (the U.S.) are the most dangerous culture that has ever been on the
> planet.  We have the biggest and most of everything. 

And we are using up resources way out of proportion to our numbers because
of our waste and what we think we need.

> We have the worst and largest weapons on the globe. 

And we have used them.

> We have a special responsibility to
> be better, beyond reproach, without any appearance of impropriety or
> wrongdoing, more than any of the other kids on the block.  Combined.
> We have to be pristine and saintly.

That would be nice.

> We are not even close.

I agree.
 
> Nothing was happening in the food-for-oil program that the U.S. wasn't
> aware of and didn't sign off on.
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/02/02/iraq.oil.smuggle/
> 
> I believe that the number of deaths of Iraqi children due to the
> sanctions is substantial.  Whether it's 500,000, "227,000-350,000" or
> 1,000,000+, does not lessen the U.S.'s responsibility.

There are those who would hide that responsibility behind accusations
against other boogie men.
 
> Check it out for yourself -

Thank you for your links.

They have been snipped only to save space.

> > Churchill charges that Al-Queda exploded the twin towers to take
 revenge for these deaths-which fits into Bush's contention that there
 is a link between Al0-Quaeda terrorism and Iraq..-except that no link
 has ever been shown.<<
 
> That's not what Churchill said.

Thank you for pointing that out.

> You're doing exactly what I suggested people flee from - you're
> attributing words and beliefs to Churchill that he didn't say.

That tactic seems to be catching.
 
> I think that people should hear and see him for themselves.
 
Too bad his appearance at Whitewater is sold out.