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Re: See & Hear Ward Churchill for Yourself - "Some People Push Back"

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:54
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message 
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RE: SHOW ME ONE Lie of Ward Churchill::

(several listed but snipped or ignored)

>> >> Not to mention his erroneous claims that "Jews" were the real culprits 
>> >> on
>> >> 9-11.
>
>> > How about a citation?
>
> How about a citation?

Changing the subject Carol AGAIN?? DUCK AND WEAVE... Get the first oens.. 
We'll GET to that one.
>
>> >> of doctoring footnotes, claiming to prove that
>> >> a smallpox epidemic among the Mandan Indians of the Midwest in 1837 
>> >> was
>> >> deliberately introduced by U.S. Army, when in fact the sources he 
>> >> cited
>> >> said the disease was accidentally spread by traders."

NO COMMENT --- AVOIDING the direct FABRICATION of material and plagerizing 
things.

>> > Interesting.  I would like to read original source documents on this
>> > before I venture an opinion.

>>  Carol LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE......
>
> No.  It is not a lie at all.  I said that I would like to read original
> source documents on this before I venture an opinion, and that is the
> absolute truth.

Well Carol THEN that is YOUR obligation. The FACT is that Chucrchill's 
claims that a "biological earfare unit ofd the U.S. Army plotted to commit 
genicide on the Indian people" citing the 1837 events was a BALD FACE LIE.. 
NEVER HAPPEND! "original source documents' on a FICTITIOUS EVENT Carol? HOW? 
FROM WHERE?

>> You asked for "REFERENTS" and I
>> provided them you SNIPPED them AGAIN!
>> Disregarded them or rationalized them.

> I snipped what were allegations.  I did not snip proof.

Carol YOU don't get to decide what is proof. I sourced my statements. If 
Churchill's former wife wrote an article some years before (COPYRIGHTED AND 
PUBLISHED) and then Churchill later included her work and claimed it as HIS 
is very much PROOF that he LIED.

>> Must I post them EVERY DAMNED MESSAGE? This gets SOOOOOOO OLD and NO 
>> annoying.

> Tough.

No Carol PROOF that you are DISHONEST!  Thanks for TWICE in a short space 
that you DELETE things that you don't like and then go on to claim that no 
proof was offered at all. THAT little girl is LYING!

>> I posted the references to where Churchill's claims of Indian heritage 
>> are
>> rebuked.

> I have seen no proof either way.

Yes Carol - in psychology we call that "living in denial."  It's all there. 
Churchill makes SPECIFIC CLAIMS... That he got his indian blood from a 
SOURCE, that source denies the claim, saying he is NOT indian but "white." 
To YOU that is NOT PROOF! To the THINKING world (the not bullshit infested) 
that IS PROOF!  He has consistenly LIED his ass off about Indian heritage. 
Maybe I am sensitive to this becayse my first wife WAS 50% native American.
Complete with tribal registery so i know what a REAL native American is, and 
I have three daughters that are also on tribal roles. So cut your 
BULLSHITTING Ms., Smith! After a while it gets offensive. The man if he has 
ANY (and I suspect I have as much as HE does) it isn't much. My present wife 
(Cuban) has "indiginous" blood. She is mostly of Spanish heritage but has 
some native blood as well. Her ancestors were there to welcome Columbus when 
he landed in Cuba.

>> I posted where even his former wife accuses him of plagiarizing HER
>> earlier published works and claiming them as his own.

> Are you saying that what you posted was absolute proof that any
> allegations by his wife were true?

Well some things are FACTS Caol no matter how they upset your EXTREMIST 
political views. The woman's works were PUBLISHED as were that of Churchill. 
Media bveen all over that one. Her work came years first, publioshed, 
copyrights, then his work lifting whole secitions of hers with NO 
attribution. THAT is fraud and plagerism.

>> (ACADEMIC FRAUD
>> CAROL!) Not to mention the FALSE claims of the U.S. Army biological 
>> warfare
>> against the Indians being a product of his own mind.  NEVER HAPPENED 
>> CAROL!!

> I never claimed it did happen.  I asked for detail and proof and evidence.

    Carol it did NOT happen. There is NO source bnook on an event THAT NEVER 
OCCURRED!! GOT IT? No "referrents."  No details on an event dreamed in in 
some alcholoc stupor that NEVER WAS!   While some Sioux indians did get 
smallpox and died at about that time, the U.S. Army had NO (read my lips) 
"biological warfare unit" and were NOWHERE near the events in 1837. It was 
some "settlers" on a wagon train that left (abandoned) stuff from WHITE 
folks who had died of smallpox (REMEMBER Carol or TRY that they didn't have 
penecillin then) JESUS CHRIST!  When the wagons, blankets etc were 
abandoned, the Indians were not there. They weren't GIVEN the stuff  - they 
were scavengers. Carol people at that time did NOT have microbiology, they 
didn't know how the disease was transmitted, there were NO Walgreens 
pharmacies on the praries.. Lots of Indians died but it was NOT at the hands 
of the "BILOGICAL WAREFARE UNIT OF THE U.S. ARMY" on a mission from 
Washington, DC...   It was a FLUKE at best.

> I reserve judgment until I have it.  That is the only honorable stance, as
> far as I am concerned.

Carol........... it is a tap dance. The evidence is there. What DID happen 
is well documented in history. The sources I gave had further LINKS to that 
information. That YOU in your ARROGANCE refuse to follow those links is NOT 
MY PROBLEM it is YOUR DISHONESTY!
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