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"Imno1" <whoha@erewon.com> wrote in message 
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>>> We (the U.S.) are the most dangerous culture that has ever been on the
>>> planet.  We have the biggest and most of everything.  We have the worst
>>> and largest weapons on the globe.  We have a special responsibility to
>>> be better, beyond reproach, without any appearance of impropriety or
>>> wrongdoing, more than any of the other kids on the block.  Combined.
>>> We have to be pristine and saintly.

>> We never have been from the very start. While I think Churchill is a nut 
>> and a liar, I think the basic premise buried under all his hyperbolic 
>> rhetoric has more than a small grain of truth in it and it needs to be 
>> said. The problem is the WAY Churchill says it he trivializes it. The 
>> U.S. from the time of the revolution has had a less than honorable 
>> history. Frankly what we have done in Latin America is despicable. That 
>> will never change until we can take a hard look at ourselves and correct 
>> the things we have been doing that are wrong. But time is running out.

>  I couldn't agree more. And Churchill compounds the problem.

    He turns people off from having an intelligent discussion of the 
constant fukkkkups of the state department and the CIA.  But all through 
Latin America we have "always" been the "ugly Americans" and are resented 
more there than anywhere on Earth. Lots of it is sheer incompetence but 
mostly indifference and a TOTAL lack of respect for those people. Not that 
everything we did was bad, it is that we never learned how to talk to the 
people, partially because we didn't give a shit. It has always been RACISM! 
My wife is Hispanic (Cuban) my ears are very attuned to the racist things 
that are said.  But the problem is that when you have people like Churchill 
who drift into insanity making the points, it isn't that his basic message 
is wrong, but that he has a grotesque way of making a point. Maybe he feels 
that's the only way he'll be heard. Churchill puts people on the defensive 
and they aren't inclined to examine things when you do that, you just set 
their heels in concrete.