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Article #953Re: Required Reading...
From: Karl Denninger
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:00
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:00
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In article <6d6ug4$lnn@newsops.execpc.com>, <curt@execpc.com> wrote: >Many people question us on "56k" modems, and more recently, v.90, the >new standard for the "56k" modems, or PCM modems. > >The cover article from the March, 1998 Boardwatch magazine has information >that anyone even slightly interested in modems should read. It can be found at: >http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/98/mar/bwm24.html > >Not only does the article go into the new v.90 technology, it shows some >comparisons between k56flex and X2, which should be quite suprising to >some of you (it wasn't to me). > >Some people have claimed various things about the two technologies in >this newsgroup. This article pretty much puts all the arguements to rest. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Curtis V. Shambeau | curt@execpc.com | http://www.execpc.com/~curt > Executive Vice President, Exec-PC, Inc. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note several things about the Boardwatch "article": 1) They never signed into anywhere. Therefore, there are several problems with the so-called "data": a) There's no independant verification possible from the other side of the connections. Without RADIUS logs, there's just no way to know if we're really getting good data from Rickard or not. b) There is no indication of what devices were on the other end of the connections, because Rickard didn't bother coordinating these tests with the other side of the link. There is ALSO no indication of what FIRMWARE is on the other end of the links, and that, for some manufacturers, is critically important. 2) USR is known to connect at a higher rate than it can actually support, and then downshift. This is NOT new behavior; USR modems have done this for years. But it leads to misleading "statistics" if you look at the "connect rate" at origination, rather than termination, of the call. 3) K56Flex is known to typically (in most implementations anyway) connect at a LOWER rate than it can actually support, and then upshift over the next couple of minutes. This exacerbates the discontinuity that (2) would result in. Rickard actually acknowledges this. 4) Long-distance connections are NOT typical of the usual ISP user profile. Yet that is *ALL* that Rickard tested. This gives insane advantages, for example, to the carrier that the tester uses for IXC carriage! Why? Because there is at least one "crossing" between the LEC network and the IXC network that don't have to take place, and probably *TWO* such crossings. This is going to grossly skew the results and likely invalidate them entirely in the realm of local access users. Further and most paradoxially, connections between two IXCs might be the best of all! Why? Because they tend to have newer equipment, the DACS they traverse tend to be channel-aligned (resulting in fewer robbed bits in the LSB, and really more by accident - IXCs tend to concentrate at their entry to a city, and that leads to DACS which do full DS1 or even DS3 mappings with few discontinuities, which is what leads to the bit robbing misalignment), and those trunks are monitored - and fixed when they break. It is VERY common for LECs to ignore alarms for literally months, leading you to wonder if they even wire the ALARM output on their switches to anything! 5) In the realm of K56Flex, Rickard doesn't know about the S202=32 init switch (primarily because he never called any of the tested ISPs tech desks). That's an undocumented, but VERY important switch to turn on in some Rockwell versions. The Zoom and TDK CyberExpress5600 modems, in particular, DO work in a 2-bit robbed environment. I know this, because I get these connections *all the time* and the firmware reports 2 or even 3 bits robbed a good bit of the time. Rickard and whoever he claims to have talked to are simply wrong on this. However, you *DO* need S202=32 in the init for a whole bunch of those firmware revisions for it to work in a 2-bit robbed environment. 6) For those who buy their time from others, Rickard just billed them for hundreds of minutes of time without their consent and not as their customer. This looks an awful lot like theft of service, absent informed consent. If I were paying by the minute, I'd be looking for someone to be indicted over this. 7) We, and many others, just don't see anything close to what Rickard claims is happening. We have hard logs in our DBMS for every call - including ACTUAL data transmission rates. I've got data going back to April of 1996, when we first switched to RADIUS from our proprietary system, on both V.34 ASCEND and K56Flex Livingston/Lucent hardware. His data is simply non-representative of the real world, and I know of a whole lot of other ISPs who are saying the same thing. We're not alone on this. 8) If, in fact, any of these resellers were connecting less than 2/3rds of the time, I'd argue that they'd all be out of business. Bluntly, the entire "test" simply isn't representative of the typical local Internet Access User, or our documentable results. Further, the results have no peer review, are flawed in terms of methodology, and fail to control for known issues inherent in both technologies as well as the telephone network. Finally, its all irrelavent - V.90 is due out on the central site side for virtually everyone's gear within 60 days, and these results, even if they ARE "correct" for some set of conditions, will have nothing to do with V.90 results! Rickard likes to claim that USR will have the "best" V.90. We'll see... I'll put *ACTUAL* throughput *AND* connection rates of our K56flex plant up against X2 any day of the week, and anyone who would like to run a REAL test is welcome to get ahold of us. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fcd36,90ffc4250d11ac31 X-Google-Attributes: gidfcd36,public X-Google-Thread: 1065d0,90ffc4250d11ac31 X-Google-Attributes: gid1065d0,public From: karl@MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) Subject: Re: Required Reading... Date: 1998/02/27 Message-ID: <6d713t$k3n$1@Mars.mcs.net> X-Deja-AN: 329231444 References: <6d6ug4$lnn@newsops.execpc.com> Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Newsgroups: milw.general,execpc.general