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steint@cadvision.com (Tracey L. Stein) wrote:

>Tracey Wrote:
>>I can name a few...., 
>>start naming
>>>How about telling potential recruits NOT TO DISCUSS the presentation
>>>of Amway to others before making up their minds on whether to join or
>>>not??  (this is a true story, happened to a friend of mine about 1
>>>month ago)

>You wrote:  
>>your rite I tell my potential recruits to LET ME tell them. That way
>>my potential recruit can sponser that person.If you tellthem about
>>amway they will ask you a question that you may not be able to answer
>>and you will loose your credibility.
>>Your " advisor " knows nothing about amway or he would be in.
>>chances are he is in that 95% category who retires broke. What advice
>>could he give you.
>>why dont you ask don trump or bill gates or john sestina  . newt
>>gingrinch, pres ford. lee iacocca ross perrot  or any other
>>millionaire what they think of amway.
>>I bet if you gave your adviser a million dollars he would blow it(
>>check stats on lottery winners)  unless your adviser is a millionaire
>>he cannot tell you how to make it and his advice useless.
>>rich people have rich habits 
>>poor people have poor habits
>>if you take the money from the rich and gave it to the poor in10 years
>>the rich will have their money back and the welfare will be back on
>>welfare.
>>If your adviser is in life where you want to be than listen to him.
>>But dont listen to me ... I,M FREEEEEEEEEEE

>I wrote:
>I am confused as to whom you are speaking of when you refer to my
>"advisor".  Is it the person who was doing the recruiting?  Or the the
>person who was approached by the amway member?  Regardless of who it
>was.... I disagree..., the only thing Amway has in mind when they ask
>you not to discuss the "meeting" with anyone before making a decision
>is that they will not make an "informed" decision.  They won't have
>the benefit of hearing all of the Amway (horror) stories from their
>friends and family.   Amway doesn't WANT them hearing all of those.
>Sounds a little like the cults who like their followers to severe ties
>with their family members.  The cult would rather have total control
>of their minds and thoughts.   I would never enter into a business
>agreement without extensive thought and some opinions of my family and
>respected friends.  
you call us a cult 

TELL ME in what way are we cultlike? and what mindcontrol tactics do
we use?
ha I like the one about controling thoughts... when was the last time
you told your boss what you thought of him? He got you controlled real
good!!
you say "they" but Amway is nothing but a warehouse, they do not even
hold meetings .It is us the distributers who hold meetings, and there
are a million legs to amway
who are"they"?
I am an independant business and buy off of amway because they PAY the
best. If walmart paid like amway I would buy at walmart>
Can you tell me the ten forms of income of amway or the pv/bv ratio?
if you cannot answer this  than what do you know about amway?
ask your brotherinlaw this question.
Does your brother in law know more than the president of general
motors?
GM says were ok.

I did not sever ties with my family I buy my mom and dad houses and
cars. Tell me ...Can you support your ma and pa when cpp runs out?
I get paid residual which I can hand down to my family
what does your boss give you?
Of course there are failures in amway
but there are failures in every occupation.
But how many millionaires did your job produce last year?
>>I wrote:
>>>My brother is law was badgered into joining AMWAY to keep a contract
>>>deal with his company.  The guy who recruited him basically held him
>>>over the barrel until he joined.  This kind of behavior is repulsive.
>>true  and your brothers friend has  made no money as well!!
>>but amway is a warehouse and has nothing to do with him.

>You wrote:
>>If he is rude you will boycott him.
>>Just like any other business that is rude . Sears etc
>>I even know lawyers that are crooks and some questionable docters
>>does not mean we are all like that.
>>Ever had a bad big mac?

>I wrote:
>Certainly, he may have been just a bad apple - YOU SAY.  But from all
>of the experiences I have had personally and the ones I have heard my
>friends in Claresholm talk about, this is the norm for Amway.  The
>reason that Amway has such a bad rap isn't because of one bad apple.
>It's their selling and recruiting techniques which are indoctrinated
>into them at the conferences and meetings that they attend.  They
>demonstrate this time, and time again.  And now they have a reputation
>for it. 
>>I 


so all youknow is HEARSAY  and not FACT
Friends tell fishstories
I do not care what my reputation is I,m free
The manager of the bank has "status " and hes at work
go figure!!!
I can bang my secritary, come to work drunk
 and thats acceptable
but do amway to get your family free.
could it be that your boss knows amway works and he cannot control you
if you are free?

INTELLEGENT people get all the facts BEFORE making an INTELLIGENT
decision!!
wrote:
>>>And my husband was approached by an AMWAY member in Toys R Us a few
>>>years ago.  The man made small talk with my husband about the children
>>>playing, and then proceeded to somehow introduce himself and get my
>>>husband's name.  Then we got a PHONE CALL from him a few weeks later
>>>(he must have looked up our name in the phone book) to ask if he'd
>>>like to attend a business meeting.  This is harrassment as far as I'm
>>>concerned.  He had NO business doing that and it ticked me off
>>>big-time.  

>>why???   He was doiing YOU a favor.
>He was a complete stranger.  He was NOT doing me a favor.  He was only
>interested in making me a place on his pyramid so he could make more
How can he make more? SEEMS you do not know amway and the pay
structure?  Just like your brother in law?

PYRAMID SCHEME ?
what kind of pyramid  scheme.?( YOU BETTER THINK HERE YOU MIGHT JUST
DEFINE A JOB)
or worse yet a ponzi scheme like ui or cpp.


>money.   He invaded our privacy and took advantage of a friendly
>conversation and turned it into a business proposition without
>informing my husband that he was basically being interviewed for a job
>that he was NOT looking for.  HE WAS A STRANGER!!! 
>>he will make money wether you get in or not.
>Yes, he probably will, but he will miss out on the recruits thought he
>could get through us.   
wow how many people do you know?
I meet 2 a day for last 6 years 
do your 10 really matter?
I go into india . The population of canada is in one city.

If he invaded your privacy why dident you ask him to leave
sounds like your husband is a push over.
If your husband was good  he would have controlled the conversation
maybee he should brush up on people skills.
>>he offered a pearl to a pig.
>I resent this analogy.  But it's typical of Amway salespeople to put
>down others whom they feel are "below" them.  Part of the reason they
>have that "bad rap" I was refering to earlier.
why  you will be dependant upon the rich after cpp fall 2007 or so 

you have the best business opertunity{ sestina, stanford research,
harvard university} and the only way to get free
and you said no
your loss
Is it such a sin to ask ? ARE YOU OPEN MINDED ABOUT BUSINESS
You will never know what you said no to.
the 20 min could change your lifeas unless you are are an auther you
have no hope of residual income.

SHOW ME A BETTER WAY!!!!!

>>Funny I sponsered a friend of Jean Chretien . He did not ask for his
>>dads permission. did not feel harrassed by my call.. And he makes much
>>more than you do. who do you think you are? sorry but your not that
>>rich.Your are DEPENDANT upon the rich so come down from your high
>>horse.
>Excuse me???? *puzzled look*  How do you know who I am and how much
>money I have?  You know not one single thing about me.  It's not me on
>that high horse..., take a look in the mirror buddy.   And who cares
>who you recruited?  Does that make you any better because you know a
>friend of Jean Chretien?  *LOL*   I'd take a look around before
>telling people that now-a-days  ;)
well your no multi millionaire or you would know more about business
and i dougt you will have 5 million in the bank come the year 2020
so I can pretty much say you fit thr 95% of canadians who retire
broke.
Check stat can.

Know it does not make me better just that i might know a bit more
about whats really goiing on

I do not like him (jean) BUT i can learn from him. I cannot change
things. Persolally I like gst so does ralph and so does jean and i
hope they up it to 15%
 you poor fools who dont know the system!!!!


>>show a millionaire how to make a million ....boom he does it
>>show a poor moron how to make a loosey 100000  he balks......goes back
>>to rich and poor habits.
>>Get an unlisted number if you want no calls.  
>I don't mind getting the odd sales call at home (although they are
>sort of annoying..., aren't they?)  That wasn't my point.  The point
>you missed was that this guy was SLEAZY!!  He was hanging out in Toys
>R Us trying to make business contacts with unsuspecting shoppers.   He
>then invaded my privacy by looking up our name and number in the book.
>I shouldn't have to have an unlisted phone number just because I go
>shopping at Toys R Us.  
why was he sleazy? was he flashing
you stopped to talk 
no thankyou was all you have to say

 I see hookers on the street now thats sleazy but a guy talking
business in a store . come on lady!
good thing hes not on welfare!!

>I wrote:
>>>Everything in Amway seems weird to me.  It's all too hush-hush.  I
>>>don't do business with people who have something to hide, and AMWAY
>>>gives me this feeling.  Right from the way they ask you to "attend a
>>>business meeting" but refuse to come out and say what it is in the
>>>beginning.  
change is strange and iff you dont chage your dead!
>You wrote:
>>I am offering you a favor.   Before I WASTE MY gas MY money but most
>>valuble MY TIME making YOUR business make YOU money. I want to know
>>how teachable you are.  you cannot show me anything nor do I want your
>>advice. I do not need a 50000income nor do I need your mortgage
>>payment. Its called trust.
>Give me a break!  Has it EVER happened that you have driven to the
>home of a recruit, they've been interested and wanted to join , and
>you've said "NO"??  I doubt it.  You'd take any and all recruits
>because you benefit from those who are under you and him.  I believe
>the math is called 'exponantial'.  (don't quote me on that)   It's a
>big cover up at the beginning because they want to hook you with all
>kinds of catch phrases like "do you want to be rich?", etc. and then
>they reveal how to and who they are.
tell me how do i make money off my downline?
again what are the 10 ways to get paid at amway .? that is the answer


no i DO NOT take just anyone . Like i said I would not waste my time
triing to convince you i can find someone else who serious
I have kicked people out and refused entry into my BUSINESS so dont
even suggest that.
I have a group in vancouver I see every 2 weeks to help them.
FIGURE IT OUT     a plane ticket to van every 2 weeks
did I charge my recruits ?I have a group in lethbridge
do I charge them for my hotel ?
This and more + my time comes out of MY pocket not anyone elses
Who pays for my trip to india. It will cost me 15000to go. How long
before that leg shows a profit?
I dont have time to waste on morons

as for other distributers they might ask you 
I wrote:
>! Am I against all companies like Amway and just have a bad attitude
>>>towards this type of marketing altogether? No, I don't believe so.  I
>>>buy TUPPERWARE on an ongoing basis.  They do not use these tactics to
>>>recruit their employees and I do not feel that pressure to join just
>>>because I want some of their products.  

>>   do you like work. 
>yes, actually I do.  And I'm happy about that, as well.
>>seems jobs have produced more poor people than any other method.

><a bunch of other stuff about how great Amway is snipped.....>
why truth hurt??
>I wrote:

>I only responded to your original question of "show us why we are
>cultish" in order to answer the question with my personal experiences
>and the experiences of those close to me.  You responded to my reply
>with rudeness and accusations.   Dave..., you don't know me.   How do
>you think you can make assumptions and (rude) generalizations about me
>and my family without knowing even a basis of information about me?
>Think about that for a minute...and then ask yourself  "who is on that
>high horse?"  
well you jumped us amway guys calling us a cult
made general assumptions and rude generalizations yourself.
you have never been to a rally so how can you judge?

if you banked as much money in the next five years as you did the last
5 years wher will you be?

AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS FUTURE


i thought about my high horse
hey WE ARE the JONES
imagine by the year 2000 we will spliit20 billion dollars
life is sweet.

check this stat out ...more money has changed hand in the last15 years
than at any time in history!!!

CASH IN FOLKS!!!
>Thank you for your time,
>Tracey Stein

>ps.  Oh, and Dave... maybe make use of your spell check before sending
>your posts.  Some of your mistakes are pretty glaring and repeated so
>often that they really make you look alot lower on the totem pole (or
>is it pyramid?) than you really are.

ah inever could spell so i sponsered a teacher
but he to busy getting people free

I have grade 12  no status and no job 

free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111