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Tracey Wrote:
>I can name a few...., 
>start naming
>>How about telling potential recruits NOT TO DISCUSS the presentation
>>of Amway to others before making up their minds on whether to join or
>>not??  (this is a true story, happened to a friend of mine about 1
>>month ago)

You wrote:  
>your rite I tell my potential recruits to LET ME tell them. That way
>my potential recruit can sponser that person.If you tellthem about
>amway they will ask you a question that you may not be able to answer
>and you will loose your credibility.
>Your " advisor " knows nothing about amway or he would be in.
>chances are he is in that 95% category who retires broke. What advice
>could he give you.
>why dont you ask don trump or bill gates or john sestina  . newt
>gingrinch, pres ford. lee iacocca ross perrot  or any other
>millionaire what they think of amway.
>I bet if you gave your adviser a million dollars he would blow it(
>check stats on lottery winners)  unless your adviser is a millionaire
>he cannot tell you how to make it and his advice useless.
>rich people have rich habits 
>poor people have poor habits
>if you take the money from the rich and gave it to the poor in10 years
>the rich will have their money back and the welfare will be back on
>welfare.
>If your adviser is in life where you want to be than listen to him.
>But dont listen to me ... I,M FREEEEEEEEEEE

I wrote:
I am confused as to whom you are speaking of when you refer to my
"advisor".  Is it the person who was doing the recruiting?  Or the the
person who was approached by the amway member?  Regardless of who it
was.... I disagree..., the only thing Amway has in mind when they ask
you not to discuss the "meeting" with anyone before making a decision
is that they will not make an "informed" decision.  They won't have
the benefit of hearing all of the Amway (horror) stories from their
friends and family.   Amway doesn't WANT them hearing all of those.
Sounds a little like the cults who like their followers to severe ties
with their family members.  The cult would rather have total control
of their minds and thoughts.   I would never enter into a business
agreement without extensive thought and some opinions of my family and
respected friends.  

>I wrote:
>>My brother is law was badgered into joining AMWAY to keep a contract
>>deal with his company.  The guy who recruited him basically held him
>>over the barrel until he joined.  This kind of behavior is repulsive.
>true  and your brothers friend has  made no money as well!!
>but amway is a warehouse and has nothing to do with him.

You wrote:
>If he is rude you will boycott him.
>Just like any other business that is rude . Sears etc
>I even know lawyers that are crooks and some questionable docters
>does not mean we are all like that.
>Ever had a bad big mac?

I wrote:
Certainly, he may have been just a bad apple - YOU SAY.  But from all
of the experiences I have had personally and the ones I have heard my
friends in Claresholm talk about, this is the norm for Amway.  The
reason that Amway has such a bad rap isn't because of one bad apple.
It's their selling and recruiting techniques which are indoctrinated
into them at the conferences and meetings that they attend.  They
demonstrate this time, and time again.  And now they have a reputation
for it. 
>I wrote:
>>And my husband was approached by an AMWAY member in Toys R Us a few
>>years ago.  The man made small talk with my husband about the children
>>playing, and then proceeded to somehow introduce himself and get my
>>husband's name.  Then we got a PHONE CALL from him a few weeks later
>>(he must have looked up our name in the phone book) to ask if he'd
>>like to attend a business meeting.  This is harrassment as far as I'm
>>concerned.  He had NO business doing that and it ticked me off
>>big-time.  

>why???   He was doiing YOU a favor.
He was a complete stranger.  He was NOT doing me a favor.  He was only
interested in making me a place on his pyramid so he could make more
money.   He invaded our privacy and took advantage of a friendly
conversation and turned it into a business proposition without
informing my husband that he was basically being interviewed for a job
that he was NOT looking for.  HE WAS A STRANGER!!! 
>he will make money wether you get in or not.
Yes, he probably will, but he will miss out on the recruits thought he
could get through us.   
>he offered a pearl to a pig.
I resent this analogy.  But it's typical of Amway salespeople to put
down others whom they feel are "below" them.  Part of the reason they
have that "bad rap" I was refering to earlier.
>Funny I sponsered a friend of Jean Chretien . He did not ask for his
>dads permission. did not feel harrassed by my call.. And he makes much
>more than you do. who do you think you are? sorry but your not that
>rich.Your are DEPENDANT upon the rich so come down from your high
>horse.
Excuse me???? *puzzled look*  How do you know who I am and how much
money I have?  You know not one single thing about me.  It's not me on
that high horse..., take a look in the mirror buddy.   And who cares
who you recruited?  Does that make you any better because you know a
friend of Jean Chretien?  *LOL*   I'd take a look around before
telling people that now-a-days  ;)
>show a millionaire how to make a million ....boom he does it
>show a poor moron how to make a loosey 100000  he balks......goes back
>to rich and poor habits.
>Get an unlisted number if you want no calls.  
I don't mind getting the odd sales call at home (although they are
sort of annoying..., aren't they?)  That wasn't my point.  The point
you missed was that this guy was SLEAZY!!  He was hanging out in Toys
R Us trying to make business contacts with unsuspecting shoppers.   He
then invaded my privacy by looking up our name and number in the book.
I shouldn't have to have an unlisted phone number just because I go
shopping at Toys R Us.  

I wrote:
>>Everything in Amway seems weird to me.  It's all too hush-hush.  I
>>don't do business with people who have something to hide, and AMWAY
>>gives me this feeling.  Right from the way they ask you to "attend a
>>business meeting" but refuse to come out and say what it is in the
>>beginning.  

You wrote:
>I am offering you a favor.   Before I WASTE MY gas MY money but most
>valuble MY TIME making YOUR business make YOU money. I want to know
>how teachable you are.  you cannot show me anything nor do I want your
>advice. I do not need a 50000income nor do I need your mortgage
>payment. Its called trust.
Give me a break!  Has it EVER happened that you have driven to the
home of a recruit, they've been interested and wanted to join , and
you've said "NO"??  I doubt it.  You'd take any and all recruits
because you benefit from those who are under you and him.  I believe
the math is called 'exponantial'.  (don't quote me on that)   It's a
big cover up at the beginning because they want to hook you with all
kinds of catch phrases like "do you want to be rich?", etc. and then
they reveal how to and who they are.

I wrote:
! Am I against all companies like Amway and just have a bad attitude
>>towards this type of marketing altogether? No, I don't believe so.  I
>>buy TUPPERWARE on an ongoing basis.  They do not use these tactics to
>>recruit their employees and I do not feel that pressure to join just
>>because I want some of their products.  

>   do you like work. 
yes, actually I do.  And I'm happy about that, as well.
>seems jobs have produced more poor people than any other method.

<a bunch of other stuff about how great Amway is snipped.....>

I wrote:

I only responded to your original question of "show us why we are
cultish" in order to answer the question with my personal experiences
and the experiences of those close to me.  You responded to my reply
with rudeness and accusations.   Dave..., you don't know me.   How do
you think you can make assumptions and (rude) generalizations about me
and my family without knowing even a basis of information about me?
Think about that for a minute...and then ask yourself  "who is on that
high horse?"  

Thank you for your time,
Tracey Stein

ps.  Oh, and Dave... maybe make use of your spell check before sending
your posts.  Some of your mistakes are pretty glaring and repeated so
often that they really make you look alot lower on the totem pole (or
is it pyramid?) than you really are.