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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:17:13 GMT, "Dave C."
<spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:

>-:
>-:"crofters" <crofterscan> wrote in message
>-:news:aruh7j$q24$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>-:> x-no-archive: yes
>-:>
>-:> (btw, I paid for my gas!)
>-:>
>-:> filling up today, i saw a small notice on the pump warning about having
>-:> means
>-:> to pay before drawing fuel etc, and that they are instructed by local
>-:> (sussex)
>-:> police to take your photo and thumbprint, should you not pay within an
>-:> agreed
>-:> period.
>-:>
>-:> wouldn't this be against some human rights, or privacy laws? thought only
>-:> the
>-:> police had authority to take prints, and only then when arrested, not
>-:> before...
>-:>
>-:> also, who holds the information, and for how long? someone could easily
>-:> forget a wallet, and get a police record!
>-:>
>-:>
>-:>
>-:
>-:I don't know about UK, but in the U.S., (unfortunately) the non-paying
>-:customer could use any legal means necessary to defend themselves from the
>-:kidnapper if you tried to hold them against their will.  There are citizens
>-:arrest provisions over here, but the above situation doesn't apply.  -Dave
>-:

You're doing it again - making the statement as if all 50 states, DC
and Puerto Rico were under the same system as far as citizen's arrest
goes.  It simply is not so, no matter how many times you make such a
statement.

http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm

A strong argument can be made that the right to make a citizen's
arrest is a constitutionally protected right under the Ninth Amendment
as its impact includes the individual's natural right to self
preservation and the defense of the others. Indeed, the laws of
citizens arrest appear to be predicated upon the effectiveness of the
Second Amendment. Simply put, without firepower, people are less
likely going to be able to make a citizen's arrest. A random sampling
of the various states as well as the District of Columbia indicates
that a citizen's arrest is valid when a public offense was committed
in the presence of the arresting private citizen or when the arresting
private citizen has a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed
a felony, whether or not in the presence of the arresting citizen.


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