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Article #11276Re: FORD WON'T PAY $3,500 repair for 95 Windstar transmission failure caused by computer failure
From: RTS and NCS
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:00
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:00
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Steve Rothkin wrote: > > There is an old adage that FORD stands for "Fix or Repair Daily." > Based on reviews of the Windstar when it came out in 95, I thought > that maybe that wasn't true anymore, and I shelled out over $20,000 > for one. Now I'm beginning to feel that I made a big mistake. > > Recently I began having transmission problems. If the van was stopped, > and in either Drive or Reverse, it would not immediately engage into > gear when I pressed the gas pedal (if on an incline, it would actually > roll). If/when it finally did engage into gear, it did so with a big > lurch. > > Only 3 weeks before I started having the transmission problems, I had > a problem with the driver side power window. The dealer charged me > $320 to replace the power window motor, and wouldn't cover it because > at nearly 57,000 miles the van was considered "out of warranty" > (despite being less than two years old, and as if the excess mileage > really had anything to do with the power window motor). Given that > experience, I brought the van to Aamco and didn't even bother with the > Ford dealers. > > Aamco found (through their electrical/computer diagnostics) that the > engine computer was not properly controlling the transmission -- it > was telling the transmission to shift at the wrong times, and to run > at the wrong pressure. They determined that engine computer and the > shift lever position sensor needed to be replaced (at a cost of about > $350) and they did that. At this point, the new computer reported > transmission failure codes (the old computer never reported any > problems). Furthermore, the transmission problems still remained. > > At this point, Aamco removed and disassembled the transmission. They > found significant pressure and heat damage inside > the transmission, and a number of things inside the transmission > had all failed and/or needed to be replaced: > - all solonoids, > - all bands > - drive chain > - torque converter > - all steel plates > basically the transmission needed to be entirely rebuilt. The final > bill after all repairs were complete was $3,525! > > Aamco's opinion is that the van was operating for an extended period > of time with the failed engine computer not properly controlling the > transmission. As a result, transmission eventually burned itself out. > Note that before the physical symptoms noted above caused me to bring > the van to Aamco, I was given no indication of any problem with the > engine computer (i.e., no Check Engine light, no increase in fuel > consumption/decrease in MPG), and I had no noticeable transmission > problems--the transmission failed suddenly and without warning (in > fact, I nearly got into an accident the first time it happened as I > was stopped at a red light on a hill and when it turned green and I > took my foot off the brake and hit the gas, the van actually rolled > backwards). > > I called Fords' customer service hotline to discuss this (I had also > done this for the power window but to no avail). They told me the > vehicle is out of warranty, so they won't help me. I asked to speak to > a higher authority or to have a higher authority call me back, they > said no and hung up the phone on me. > > To add further insult to injury, the day after getting the van back > the Check Engine light came on. I brought the van in and was told I > needed to replace two oxygen sensors--final bill $244. > > Add to all of this the 3 recalls and 2 service bulletins that I had to > have performed on the van (at least Ford paid for those since the van > was in warranty at the time), and my conclusions are > 1) Ford's quality is as bad as it ever was (quality is definitely NOT > job 1) > 2) Ford's customer service sucks. > > My recommendations to the world: > > DON'T BUY A FORD VEHICLE. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Rothkin > Dancemasters Disc Jockey Entertainers > 12 Merrick Road > Poughkeepsie, NY 12603 > Email: srothkin@mhv.net > Voice: (914) 452-8798 > Fax: (914) 471-2728 > World Wide Web: http://members.aol.com/srothkin/dancemst.htm AAMCO not the best place for good work eather, Prices???
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