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Re: New High-Tech Traffic Lights

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From: Edsel Chase
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 00:00
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Shiva Nataraja wrote:
> 
> Can you elaborate on what you had in mind?

In our neck of the woods, EVs frequently have accidents at 
intersections, especially within city propers -- so what i 
had in mind was giving the EV the ability to control the 
traffic flow while enroute to/from accident scenes -- the 
system would give opposing traffic plenty of time to slow 
and stop at yellow-to-red lights and give the greens to 
the EV -- so EVs would never have to slow down, and the 
EV-involved accidents would decrease in number -- 

> >-- and  these may involve the "radar mile" principle --
> 
> What's the "radar mile" principle?

As you may know, radio signals travel at a certain fixed
velocity -- so it takes a certain amount of time for them 
to travel a given distance -- so when a vehicle is a 
predetermined distance away from a traffic light, the 
transponder (perhaps if i use the term transceiver? to 
note that it transmits *and* receives signals?) will 
sense the distance -- this is an electronic version of 
the mechanical equipment used at most traffic lights 
today -- 

> >Would you please explain why you seem to be turned off by
> >the idea? --
> 
> To me, a "transponder" conjures up the small box you place on yourn
> dashboard to enable you to use the special "fast track" lanes on the
> tollway where you don't have to stop and pay the toll with pocket
> change - as you drive at full freeway speed through the tollgate, the
> transponder in your car responds to a brief radio message from the
> toll gate with a response burst indicating its ID number. The ID
> number is looked up in a database and the driver's account is debited
> for the amount of the toll. Vehicles without these transponders are
> unable to use the "fast track" lanes.

All a transponder does is transmit *and* receive signals -- 
your AM/FM radio only receives signals, where a transponder 
or transceiver also sends signals -- the transceiver in a 
vehicle would send a signal to the traffic light, the light 
would receive the signal and sense the distance -- then the 
light might send useful info to the vehicle such as 

   "light will turn green in two seconds" -- or 

   "opposing traffic closer to intersection - prepare to stop" 

> This suggested to me that all vehicles would need to be equipped with
> a transponder device in order for the intersection signals to detect
> their presence; without a transponder, the intersection would not know
> you were there and presumably might not turn green fot you. 

This is correct -- 

> This would
> be a ridiculous system to say the least.
> 
> Even if it were cost-effective and logistically feasible to equip
> EVERY vehicle with a radio transponder, the Orewllian overtones would
> still have many people, including myself, opposed to the idea.

And if people were meant to drive, God would have 
given us wheels instead of legs? 

-- 
Drive carefully -- 
Indelibly yours, 
The motorious 
Edsel (you've *GOT* to be kidding) Chase
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From: Edsel Chase <starswirler@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: New High-Tech Traffic Lights
Date: 1999/10/08
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