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> >
> > Who is actually contributing to SS, Medicare, etc?  It's not the illegal
> > aliens.  These monies are WITHHELD from their paychecks and sent to the
> > government by the EMPLOYERS.  So where do the employers get the money?
> > Mostly from U.S. citizens.  The illegal aliens aren't paying one red
cent to
> > Social Security.  -Dave
>
> Actually, this is untrue. Many illegal aliens do -- under assumed ID and
> falsified or fabricated SS numbers -- contribute to both the general tax
> base and to Social Security as well.
>
> However, now that the SSA is sending out a lot of "the numbers you gave us
> are in error, please check the employees" letters, less and less will be
> paying into FICA or to the general tax base. Note that IRS (NOT INS!) will
> soon be going after the employers for submitting false taxpayer
information.

While it's true that some illegal immigrants contribute to general tax base
and social security as well . . .

It was implied earlier that the money contributed by illegal aliens
is -extra- money for social security.

That is certainly not true.  Regardless of how many illegal aliens there are
in this country, there is going to be the SAME NUMBER of legal citizens
drawing benefits from social security.  Also, regardless of how many illegal
aliens there are in this country, there are going to be the SAME NUMBER of
people paying into the general tax base and social security.  The reason for
this is that employers aren't going to CREATE jobs just because we have a
large inflow of illegal aliens.  The same number of workers means the same
amount of money withheld from workers' wages to pay into social security.
The only difference (as I've stated before) is who the money is withheld
from.  That, and the number of jobs stolen from legal citizens by illegal
aliens.

Again, here's a very simplified mathematical example to prove my point . . .

Let's say there are 150 million (a number I totally made up, but insert real
figures if you want to) jobs in this country.  That means there is
potentially 150 million workers to earn wages and contribute to social
security.  At any one time, many legal citizens might be unemployed, partly
because some of those jobs are stolen by illegal aliens.  But a certain
number of citizens are eventually going to file for social security
benefits, REGARDLESS of how many illegal aliens there are in this country.
So the number of potential contributors, and the number of potential
collectors, of social security is more or less "fixed".  The only numbers
that change are . . . how many contributors to social security are illegal
aliens, and how many jobs did they steal from legal citizens for the
privilege?  IF say 20 million are illegal aliens, then 20 million of the
people contributing to social security are illegal aliens.  That does NOT,
however, mean that 170 million people are now contributing part of their
wages to social security.  (there are still potentially 150 million
contributors, some of them illegal aliens)  And it does not mean that 20
million fewer people will eventually draw social security benefits.  (legal
citizens are not going to choose not to collect social security just because
there are illegal aliens who paid money into it)  The net effect of illegal
aliens on social security is therefore zero.  -Dave