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"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote in message
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> Che'Gu Maru wrote:
> >
> > We have every right to control our borders, and should do so.
> >
> > However, there are a lot of "Mexicans" living in the United States who
are
> > citizens
>
> __NO__.
>
> "Mexicans" are citizens or nationals of Mexico.
>
> Citizens of the United States of America are "Americans".
>

In once sense I stand corrected. In another, however, you misread me.  I
deliberately put the term, "Mexican" in quotes originally to indicate that
although I was talking about people who some may call "Mexican", in fact
they are NOT Mexicans.

> > and whose families lived here far before that of the poster.  I
> > personally know some whose family histories predate the Mexican-American
> > war, and who became American by default after we gained New Mexico,
Arizona,
> > and California.
>
> Try reading the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo sometime.

Been there, done that, albeit about thirty years ago.
>
> >
> > They have every right to be here.  A surprisingly large number, like Roy
> > Benavidez, proved it  beyond any doubt whatsoever.
> >
> > I appreciate the poem and the humor in it.  But you are also implicitly
> > insulting a lot of people who not only don't deserve it, but who
> > individually may be a better American than thou.
>
> Get off it. That bit of doggerel doesn't talk about US citizens who are
> "hispanic", it doesn't talk about Legal Immigrants, it speaks of the
ongoing
> and institutionalized abuses of the US by ILLEGAL ALIENS.
>
> You're an American citizen of Mexican-ancestry? Fine! We're all Americans.

Actually I'm a native-born American of Neanderthal ancestry.
>
> However, remember, a Mexican is a citizen of Mexico, unless they are here
by
> permission, they're here without permissions.
>
> Legal Immigrants are welcome, they're invited.
>
> ILLEGAL ALIENS have invaded in numbers of no less than 8 millions over the
> last decade.
>
> ILLEGAL ALIENS' costs are well-documented. See
> http://www.bordercounties.org/
>
> What can you do about it? Not much. Some things can work in some places,
> though. See http://www.ranchrescue.com/

Actually, the data on the costs of illegal aliens isn't as well-documented
as you might think.An argument has been made, at least, that when they hold
jobs under false identities, they contribute to Social Security, Medicate,
and pay income tax, none of which will ever come back to them.  Some people
think (and I disagree with them) that the only reason we haven't cracked
down harder on illegals is that they are all that is keeping Social Security
afloat.  I'm not saying this is a correctd argument, but certainly you have
to include these figures in any valid estimates of the "costs of illegals."