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To the person who responded in email "that's why I always recommend
factory warranties",
what does that mean?   I did buy the warranty from the dealer.  Is
there another type of warranty people can buy for cars that are 10
years old?
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On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:21:35 GMT, caravan@cadvision.com wrote:

>CRIMINAL BUSINESS LICENSES - ALBERTA   (Used Car Dealers)
>
>Since I bought my Dodge I learned a lot about used car dealers.
>They're corrupt and dishonest.  No matter how many times they're
>taken to court they'll be issued another license -- something many 
>us would call a "criminal business license" or a "license to
>defraud."
>
>For the first 2 months of car ownership I couldn't drive my car
>for more than 120 minutes on a single outing.  Although I purchased
>a $1200 warranty from the dealer, the dealer and the warranty
>company are arguing.  The dealer claims he can't find a transmission
>problem (although 3 other dealers could) and the warranty company
>says that it's pre-existing because I asked them what was going on
>about a month after purchase.   As long as they continue arguing, I
>don't have coverage, so it will be in their best interest to argue
>until the warranty runs out.
>
>Alberta Insurance Council said it's up to   "me"   to solve the
>dispute the two of them can both profit from, by engaging in.
>This is impossible when the dealer can't supply prior maintenance
>papers. What a stupid statement anyway.   Why shouldn't it be up to
>two people who are arguing to settle their own dispute?  I know
>NOTHING about cars!
>
>There's a clause in the warranty that says the insurance company
>doesn't have to pay for pre-existing problems.  Since most problems 
>on an old car can be considered pre-existing, that means that used
>car warranties are practically invalid.  Admittedly, in this case, 
>the insurance company has paid more in repairs in 5 months than I
>paid for the warranty, but they will likely call it quits now, 7
>months early.
>
>There's no legal representation in Alberta for those with little
>money.  The law society won't deal with it because they don't handle
>corporate cases.  The student legal assistance won't handle it
>because they only handle small cases.  The Better Business Bureau
>isn't worth calling because no matter what a company has done, if it
>pays its dues it will be on their next good guy list.  The Consumer
>Department tells everyone that their complaint is the first they
>have ever received about whatever car dealer people complainabout.
>The police won't hear the story even when there's evidence of fraud.
>They haven't got time to get involved in those things.  TV and radio
>consumer people don't want to hear about car cases either because
>this type of crime is just too common.   
>
>MP's and MLA's don't have a clue where people can go when
>corporations cheat them.  The answer is that there IS NO place.
>
>You can take your case to small claims court and collect maybe half
>of what you lost if you're lucky.  The process is difficult and
>frightening for those who have never been involved, and the
>assistance given at small claims court (prior to the actual case) 
>amounts to little other than a manual that scares you half to death.
>
>When a dealer in Alberta sells an old used car, he's surely aware
>that those who would bu a 10-year old vehicle don't have a lot of
>money and are therefore unlikely to be able to afford a lawyer to
>defend themselves.  
>
>In the 5 months I've owned the 10-year old vehicle I've had to pay
>in excess of $12,000 for a car that was already over priced at
>$6500.  With a bad transmission it's probably worth about $300 to
>$500 in resale value.  I have no choice but to pay for the
>transmission costs because I can't afford to get rid of the car!
>That will bring the costs to $15,000.  I could've bought a new car.
>What a  laugh that must've been for the dealer! 
>
>The government could help prevent such things in the future by
>passing laws demanding that dealers show proof of a rigid government
>check before selling the car.  Dealers should be required to provide
>customers of the results of that check, as well as all former
>maintenance papers.
>
>I hope someone knows of a Chrysler lemon group in Alberta.
>According to Phil Edmonston's book, some people in Washington have
>formed one, as well as peple in Vancouver BC, and in New Brunsick.
>It's called the (Chrysler Lemon Owners Group, or CLOG.
>
>This book dicusses problems that haven't been solved by dealers in
>years (transmission problems year after year).  It also talks about
>barely known recalls and and ways in which dealers can get around
>Canadian law by adjusting the odometer chips.
>
>Deha News also has hundreds of articles from people with Chrysler
>transmission problems every year, dating back 10 or 12 years.  Many
>people  put three and four transmissions in their cars in a single
>year.  At $2,000 to $3,000 a pop, that must be great profit for
>somebody!  I wonder who that could be?  Of course there would never
>be a law demanding they fix such problems.
>
>Used car dealers are the most corrupt. dishonest, criminals in the
>world.  They're basically "CRIMINAL BUSINESS DEALERS who are given a
>provincial license to commit crime and as much fraud as they like.
>
>Some addresses involving Chrysler problems:
>
>http://www.ourismandodge.com/
>http://www.wam.umd.edu/~gluckman/Chrysler/
>http://www.allpar.com/                                    
>http://www.goofball.com/keane/badpaint/
>
>Thanks Phil Edmonston, author of Lemon-Aid Used Cars 2000, and 
>Lemon-Aid Used 4x4's, Vans, and Trucks, for the above addresses.
>
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