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Article #9078Re: How Does This Happen?
From: Jonathan Kamens
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:06
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:06
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Not everyone is smart or educated enough to be able to handle balancing their checkbook every month. What seems to you to be something that only "retards" don't do is, in fact, difficult or impossible to a lot of people. Independent of the intelligence / education issue, the people who live on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, tend to have one thing incommon -- the have virtually no "spare" time. When they get done with caring for their families and working the multiple slave-wages jobs that they need to make ends meet, they are lucky to get a few hours of sleep before waking up to do it all over again. Finding a few hours every month to balance their bank account to the penny is a luxury they literally can't afford. For these people, using a debit card is actually a very intelligent way to keep a handle on their spending. The assumption that debit card transactions are processed nearly immediately is, in the vast majority of cases, a perfectly reasonable one. This is especially true since the banks USE THIS AS ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS OF DEBIT CARDS. Whether they should be doing that is an interesting question, but I don't think that poor, harried people should be left holding all the blame when the promises made to them by the banks to get them to use debit cards don't hold up. If, indeed, their transactions are posted promptly, then all they need to do to avoid overdrafting is check their balance on a regular basis and don't spend more than they have, perhaps leaving a buffer for the charges made in the last day or two to give them time to be processed. They certainly should not be expected to have to account for five months of missing transactions that suddenly show up all at once. Claiming that the overdraft fees that these people paid will "teach them a lesson" and that they will "learn not to make the same mistake in the future" is foolish. If they had the intelligence, education and time to be able to keep track of all their spending to the penny as some of us (including myself) do, then they'd already be doing it. Rather, they probably aren't doing it because, for whatever reason, they can't, and being socked with fees after five months of CTA transactions show up all at once is only going to make them angry and bitter and quite possibly literally take food out of their mouth or make it harder for them to pay the rent or the heaeting bill. Someone in this thread asked how it should have been handled. The answer to this is related to the point someone else in the thread made, i.e., that businesses seem to have forgotten how to treat customers properly. This should have been handled in one of two ways: 1. The customers who were affected should have been sent letters notifying them that certain transactions were not handled properly giving the amount of mishandled transactions, and explaining that they would be deducted from the customers' accounts on some specific date far enough into the future for the customers to be able to plan on it and make sure that sufficient funds would be available. 2. The CTA should have written off the delayed transactions. Both of these would have been more ethical and customer-friendly than simply sticking the transactions into their passengers' accounts. It seems to me that what is missing from a lot of the postings in this thread, including the posting from Scott which started it, is one of the most important ingredients of a healthy society; compassion. -- Jews for Obama (http://www.jews4obama.com/)
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