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Veronique  <veroniqueunique@gmail.com> writes:

> "kosheritude" is the korrect expression, I b'lieve.

Imagine that.  "When flippany and reality collide..."


> And yes, the issue is quality (not that I would know
> a kosher hotdog from a, well, anyway, out here in the
> vegetarian fringes).

Kosher hotdogs are circumcised.



Geoff

--
"The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
 an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
			-- A.A. Gill

The Real Bev wrote:

> My oven hasn't worked for decades 

That's terrible. How long have you been waiting for the repair person to 
get the parts?

On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> extra cost of a superior product.

Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.

"Karen" <ksoa650@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:15578c20-d947-4e95-80f0-af2c0e9dff93@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> extra cost of a superior product.

>Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
>Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
>those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.



Baseball hotdogs taste good?  Dirty water hotdogs? 

On Mar 2, 8:18 am, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Karen" <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:15578c20-d947-4e95-80f0-af2c0e9dff93@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> > snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> > extra cost of a superior product.
> >Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
> >Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
> >those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.
>
> Baseball hotdogs taste good?  Dirty water hotdogs?

They taste good chiefly because you're at the ball game.

I've made the local (A's) ball park dogs at home -- Miller's -- and
they're nothing special.

<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Mar 2, 8:18 am, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Karen" <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:15578c20-d947-4e95-80f0-af2c0e9dff93@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> > snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> > extra cost of a superior product.
> >Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
> >Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
> >those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.
>
> Baseball hotdogs taste good? Dirty water hotdogs?

>They taste good chiefly because you're at the ball game.

>I've made the local (A's) ball park dogs at home -- Miller's -- and
>they're nothing special.


Exactly.  It's like popcorn tasting better at a movie theater.  Hebrew 
National is the most popular because it's 100% beef (they have to answer to 
a higher authority). 

SMS wrote:

> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the 
> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the 
> extra cost of a superior product.

How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?

What brand is/are they using?  I had one yesterday in Austin and it tasted 
the same as the Best's Brand Kosher polish dogs I've been eating all 
along, only the bun was different (smaller, sweeter, yellower, moister, 
and cut completely in half making making for a really messy dog.

-sw

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On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, spamtrap1888@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mar 2, 8:18=A0am, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Karen" <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:15578c20-d947-4e95-80f0-af2c0e9dff93@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com..=
=2E
>> On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
>>> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of th=
e
>>> extra cost of a superior product.
>>> Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
>>> Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
>>> those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.
>>
>> Baseball hotdogs taste good? =A0Dirty water hotdogs?
>
> They taste good chiefly because you're at the ball game.

Maybe Costco could stage ball games to make the food more palatable?

> I've made the local (A's) ball park dogs at home -- Miller's -- and
> they're nothing special.

When I've been there (not for a couple of years, so my info. might be out o=
f
date) I figured that so long as I was paying for overpriced food I might
as well use the Saag's stand, which had pretty good dogs.

As to the comment about the variability of Kirkland's food products,
isn't that reason enough to object to them?  (Not that it matters a
great deal to me -- I rarely feel a need to eat while at Costco, unless
I'm in a long wait for tire replacement.)
--=20

                                                              Al Eisner
                                                      San Mateo Co., CA
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"Sqwertz" <swertz@cluemail.compst> wrote in message 
news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
> SMS wrote:
>
>> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the 
>> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the 
>> extra cost of a superior product.
>
> How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
>
> What brand is/are they using?  I had one yesterday in Austin and it tasted 
> the same as the Best's Brand Kosher polish dogs I've been eating all 
> along, only the bun was different (smaller, sweeter, yellower, moister, 
> and cut completely in half making making for a really messy dog.
>
> -sw

No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef.  You don't 
want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers. 

On Mar 2, 1:16 pm, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compst> wrote in message
>
> news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> > SMS wrote:
>
> >> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> >> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> >> extra cost of a superior product.
>
> > How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
>
> > What brand is/are they using?  I had one yesterday in Austin and it tasted
> > the same as the Best's Brand Kosher polish dogs I've been eating all
> > along, only the bun was different (smaller, sweeter, yellower, moister,
> > and cut completely in half making making for a really messy dog.
>
> > -sw
>
> No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef.  You don't
> want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers.

What do non-kosher dogs use as fillers?

Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
and liver.

Robert Klute wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>
>>> "The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
>>>  an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
>>> 			-- A.A. Gill
>>
>>Is there an explanation for this, or must it stand by itself?
> 
> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa on Exhibition
> Road?

Apparently not.  What city/state/country is it in?  I guess I do need an 
explanation.  I understand about sheep insemination, but the rest of it is a 
mystery...

-- 
Cheers, Bev
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It only takes 2 men to tile a bathroom
if you slice them thinly enough.

josejarvie@ssnet.net wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
>>> and liver.
>>
>>No ears or snouts?  Wait, I guess cows don't have snouts.  Noses, maybe.  No 
>>noses?  What's the rule?
> 
> They are made of cow lips and udder stuff.

Grind 'em up fine and you can't tell the difference!

I've eaten fish maws and hog maws and am here to tell about it.  My grandma made 
pickled heart and pigs' feet and souse and lived to be 90.

What are we, wusses?  If it doesn't eat us we can eat it!

-- 
Cheers, Bev
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It only takes 2 men to tile a bathroom
if you slice them thinly enough.

In article <EIDql.13891$D32.1260@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>,
SMS  <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>Now, in a misguided cost-saving measure, Costco has removed kosher hot 
>dogs and polish sausages from their snack bar menu and replaced them 
>with a far inferior non-kosher product.

The lastest Costco magazine (Costco Connection) talks about it.
A few highlights from the article (any opinions are not mine):

 - Price has been the same $1.50 for 24 years, but the drink increased from
   12oz in 1985 to 20oz today.  Pizza is the same $9.95 as its 1989 intro

 - One of their two hot dog suppliers is quitting the kosher meat business

 - One of the largest kosher raw-ingredient suppliers was closed down

 - New dogs are 10% heavier and longer ("1/4 Pound Plus")

 - New dogs are 100% beef, USDA choice or better

 - No fillers, binders, phosphates, corn syrup, artificial color
   or artificial flavor, "which are frequently found in other brands,
   including some of the kosher brands."

 - New dogs consistently win in blind taste tests against the other brands.

Obviously this is a marketing piece, so make of it what you may.

In article <yTTql.10472$i9.2739@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
 "Sanity" <Sanity@yahoo.com> wrote:

> <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:0054c6a3-6f73-46f7-b28b-9493ba3dc94c@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 2, 8:18 am, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Karen" <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:15578c20-d947-4e95-80f0-af2c0e9dff93@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
> > > snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
> > > extra cost of a superior product.
> > >Maybe it's not such a bad idea, changing hot dogs at the snack bar?
> > >Maybe they'll be more like the hotdogs at the baseball games, and
> > >those taste better than costco snack bar hotdogs.
> >
> > Baseball hotdogs taste good? Dirty water hotdogs?
> 
> >They taste good chiefly because you're at the ball game.
> 
> >I've made the local (A's) ball park dogs at home -- Miller's -- and
> >they're nothing special.
> 
> 
> Exactly.  It's like popcorn tasting better at a movie theater.  Hebrew 
> National is the most popular because it's 100% beef (they have to answer to 
> a higher authority). 

Theater popcorn tastes better because the corn is a variety that pops 
larger and is popped in coconut oil or similar fats instead of corn oil 
or an air-popper.

Steve

-- 
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, chip shot in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

The Real Bev wrote
> josejarvie@ssnet.net wrote
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads, and liver.

>>> No ears or snouts?  Wait, I guess cows don't have snouts.  Noses, maybe.  No noses?  What's the rule?

>> They are made of cow lips and udder stuff.

> Grind 'em up fine and you can't tell the difference!

> I've eaten fish maws and hog maws and am here to tell about it.  My
> grandma made pickled heart and pigs' feet and souse and lived to be 90.

> What are we, wusses?  If it doesn't eat us we can eat it!

If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with sharks. 

On Mar 2, 2:20 pm, spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
> What do non-kosher dogs use as fillers?
>
> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
> and liver.

Not sure why those things are so horrible, unless it makes a higher
fat content?

Karen

On Mar 2, 5:38 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Floor sweepings, apparently.  There's probably a reason we don't want to know.
> I don't worry about soy protein as long as it doesn't taste like soy.

Is a kosher meatpacking facility any cleaner than a non-kosher
meatpacking facility?

Or is a non-kosher hot dog maker any less clean than one that is
kosher?

We accept some of these as true without really knowing what happens in
a meatpacking place in the first place.

Karen

Karen wrote:

>On Mar 2, 2:20 pm, spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
>
>>What do non-kosher dogs use as fillers?
>>
>>Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
>>and liver.
>>    
>>
>
>Not sure why those things are so horrible, unless it makes a higher
>fat content?
>
>Karen
>  
>

Actually, many of these (including eyeballs) are added to reduce the fat 
level - especially in hamburger <96% lean.

On Mar 2, 9:39 pm, d...@sonic.net ((null)) wrote:
>  - New dogs are 10% heavier and longer ("1/4 Pound Plus")

This part doesn't make me want to have a hotdog for lunch. Hot dogs,
like a taco, or something, are best for lunch when minimal,
simplistic, not so much like a big meal.

Karen

On Mar 3, 7:35 am, Karen <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2:20 pm, spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > What do non-kosher dogs use as fillers?
>
> > Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
> > and liver.
>
> Not sure why those things are so horrible, unless it makes a higher
> fat content?

People believe ordinary hot dogs contain "meat by-products" like lips
and snouts, as mentioned upthread. Kosher dogs are not that much
different in that respect.

On Mar 3, 7:39 am, Karen <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:38 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Floor sweepings, apparently.  There's probably a reason we don't want to know.
> > I don't worry about soy protein as long as it doesn't taste like soy.
>
> Is a kosher meatpacking facility any cleaner than a non-kosher
> meatpacking facility?
>
> Or is a non-kosher hot dog maker any less clean than one that is
> kosher?
>
> We accept some of these as true without really knowing what happens in
> a meatpacking place in the first place.

Read up on the whole Agriprocessors saga.

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:28:20 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Robert Klute wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
>>>>  an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
>>>> 			-- A.A. Gill
>>>
>>>Is there an explanation for this, or must it stand by itself?
>> 
>> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa on Exhibition
>> Road?
>
>Apparently not.  What city/state/country is it in?  I guess I do need an 
>explanation.  I understand about sheep insemination, but the rest of it is a 
>mystery...

That was supposed to be a Google/Yahoo search clue.  A A Gill is a food
critic for the British newspaper The Times. The line is from one of his
restaraunt reviews:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/eating_out/a_a_gill/article5748392.ece

An expanded extract of that line is:

I wanted to grab Fakhreldine�s manager and say, why are you doing this?
The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were an accident in a
sheep-insemination laboratory. You plainly don�t like running a
restaurant; you take no pride in your product; you find the customers
irksome and annoying; you palm off unpleasant food to people you
despise; and there�s barely anyone here. Why on earth don�t you do
something else?

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Geoff  Miller wrote:

> Sanity <Sanity@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Costco tried to intimidate their kosher hot dog supplier
>> into lowering what they charge. They figured they had
>> them by the b-lls.
>
> "B-lls?"  Is that one of those Jewish things, like "G-d?"

It stands for "bills", as in dollar bills.  After all, that's what matters.
>
> "Let me get this straight.  You want us to cut the ends
> of our *d-cks* off?" -- Moses

"ducks"?  I don't get it.
-- 

                                                              Al Eisner
                                                      San Mateo Co., CA

Robert Klute wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
>>>>>  an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
>>>>> 			-- A.A. Gill
>>>>
>>>>Is there an explanation for this, or must it stand by itself?
>>> 
>>> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa on Exhibition
>>> Road?
>>
>>Apparently not.  What city/state/country is it in?  I guess I do need an 
>>explanation.  I understand about sheep insemination, but the rest of it is a 
>>mystery...
> 
> That was supposed to be a Google/Yahoo search clue.  

I figured I'd just get a mess of references to your sig :-(

> A A Gill is a food
> critic for the British newspaper The Times. The line is from one of his
> restaraunt reviews:
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/eating_out/a_a_gill/article5748392.ece
> 
> An expanded extract of that line is:
> 
> I wanted to grab Fakhreldine�s manager and say, why are you doing this?
> The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were an accident in a
> sheep-insemination laboratory. You plainly don�t like running a
> restaurant; you take no pride in your product; you find the customers
> irksome and annoying; you palm off unpleasant food to people you
> despise; and there�s barely anyone here. Why on earth don�t you do
> something else?

OK, thanks, that was marginally clearer :-)  My guess would be that it was a 
mafia (al quaeda?) money-laundering operation.  I've seen a number of local 
businesses that couldn't possibly survive in any other way.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
  Olympics:  even if you win, you're still retarded."

Rod Speed wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote
>> josejarvie@ssnet.net wrote
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
> 
>>>>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
>>>>> and liver.
> 
>>>> No ears or snouts?  Wait, I guess cows don't have snouts.  Noses,
>>>> maybe.  No noses?  What's the rule?
> 
>>> They are made of cow lips and udder stuff.
> 
>> Grind 'em up fine and you can't tell the difference!
> 
>> I've eaten fish maws and hog maws and am here to tell about it.  My grandma
>> made pickled heart and pigs' feet and souse and lived to be 90.
> 
>> What are we, wusses?  If it doesn't eat us we can eat it!
> 
> If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with sharks.

Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to
eat it back.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
  Olympics:  even if you win, you're still retarded."

Karen wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2:20 pm, spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What do non-kosher dogs use as fillers?
>>
>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts, sweetbreads,
>> and liver.
> 
> Not sure why those things are so horrible, unless it makes a higher
> fat content?

Those items (well, I'm not sure about sweetbreads and liver) are lower in fat 
than muscle meat.  For higher fat content they just add fat.  It's not like 
there's a shortage of it :-)

-- 
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
  Olympics:  even if you win, you're still retarded."

On Mar 3, 10:36 am, Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Geoff  Miller wrote:
> > Sanity <San...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >> Costco tried to intimidate their kosher hot dog supplier
> >> into lowering what they charge. They figured they had
> >> them by the b-lls.
>
> > "B-lls?"  Is that one of those Jewish things, like "G-d?"
>
> It stands for "bills", as in dollar bills.  After all, that's what matters.
>
>
>
> > "Let me get this straight.  You want us to cut the ends
> > of our *d-cks* off?" -- Moses
>
> "ducks"?  I don't get it.

No, it's "decks." You know, of their ships, just in case that trick of
parting the Red Sea failed.

Ciccio

spamtrap1888@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 3, 7:39 am, Karen <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Is a kosher meatpacking facility any cleaner than a non-kosher
>> meatpacking facility?
>>
>> Or is a non-kosher hot dog maker any less clean than one that is
>> kosher?
>>
>> We accept some of these as true without really knowing what happens in
>> a meatpacking place in the first place.
> 

Well, it give one additional level of inspection.  How much that is
worth of course depends a lot on the individuals involved, and on how
seriously it's taken.  It also regulates the ingredients, which may or
may not be a factor if you're not worried about keeping kosher.

> Read up on the whole Agriprocessors saga.

The Agriprocessors thing was more about hiring undocumented workers,
abusing them, and sometimes about slaughter technique.  (I don't think
kosher supervision is concerned with protecting the workers, though it
_should_ cover slaughter technique.)  AFAIK Agriprocessors wasn't
accused of producing tainted or dirty product.

Dave

In article <a7frl.85388$2h5.54740@newsfe11.iad>,
 The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:

> > If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with sharks.
> 
> Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to
> eat it back.

ObPedantic:  Sharks generally do not eat people.  However, they have 
poor vision.  When they see a surfboarder in an attractive black wet 
suit, they think "seal".  Seals have a thick layer of fat under their 
black skin, which keeps them warm, as mammals like to do.  In addition, 
they hang out near the surface, like surfboarders, as both breath air.  
Sharks like to take a big bite on the seal, and then retreat so the seal 
can't fight back.  Once the seal has weakened sufficiently from the 
bite, the shark can finish their meal at their leisure.  Even though 
sharks don't see well, they have an excellent sense of taste.  As soon 
as they bite a surfboarder, they discover that there is no thick fat 
layer, and the "skin" tastes like rubber.

So, there are shark bites, but many people live through them because the 
shark just isn't interested in eating some scrawny human with rubber 
skin.

-- 
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
dabel@sonic.net

On Mar 3, 12:03 pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> ObPedantic:  Sharks generally do not eat people.  However, they have
> poor vision.  When they see a surfboarder in an attractive black wet
> suit, they think "seal".  Seals have a thick layer of fat under their
> black skin, which keeps them warm, as mammals like to do.  In addition,
> they hang out near the surface, like surfboarders, as both breath air.  
> Sharks like to take a big bite on the seal, and then retreat so the seal
> can't fight back.  Once the seal has weakened sufficiently from the
> bite, the shark can finish their meal at their leisure.  Even though
> sharks don't see well, they have an excellent sense of taste.  As soon
> as they bite a surfboarder, they discover that there is no thick fat
> layer, and the "skin" tastes like rubber.
>
> So, there are shark bites, but many people live through them because the
> shark just isn't interested in eating some scrawny human with rubber
> skin.

You know, Dan, having one shark bite may be better than two shark
bites, but not really that much better.

Karen

On Mar 3, 11:42 am, Dave Garland <dave.garl...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> Well, it give one additional level of inspection.  

Or it gives a level of inspection that derails other levels of
inspections.

On Mar 3, 11:42 am, Dave Garland <dave.garl...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 3, 7:39 am, Karen <ksoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Is a kosher meatpacking facility any cleaner than a non-kosher
> >> meatpacking facility?
>
> >> Or is a non-kosher hot dog maker any less clean than one that is
> >> kosher?
>
> >> We accept some of these as true without really knowing what happens in
> >> a meatpacking place in the first place.
>
> Well, it give one additional level of inspection.  How much that is
> worth of course depends a lot on the individuals involved, and on how
> seriously it's taken.  It also regulates the ingredients, which may or
> may not be a factor if you're not worried about keeping kosher.
>
> > Read up on the whole Agriprocessors saga.
>
> The Agriprocessors thing was more about hiring undocumented workers,
> abusing them, and sometimes about slaughter technique.  (I don't think
> kosher supervision is concerned with protecting the workers, though it
> _should_ cover slaughter technique.)  AFAIK Agriprocessors wasn't
> accused of producing tainted or dirty product.

Regarding Karen's question: The Agriprocessors facilities were not
cleaner than non-kosher packing houses. In fact, 85% of packing houses
had less salmonella contamination than Postville.

A recent AP story:

FOOD SAFETY INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS VIOLATIONS AT NATION’S LARGEST
KOSHER MEATPACKING COMPANY

Government documents reveal failures at Agriprocessors’ Nebraska Plant
to safeguard consumers from mad cow disease and E. coli, as well as
more than 30 sanitation violations ranging from sewage to insect
infestation

WASHINGTON – A new investigative report documenting food safety issues
at the Agriprocessors, Inc., Local Pride Plant in Gordon, Neb., shows
a pattern of food safety violations, including failures to properly
implement bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or “mad cow”
disease, and E. coli safeguards, as well as more than 30 sanitation
violations, ranging from sewage on the kill floor to insect
infestation.

From a year ago:

According to a report released by Food and Water Watch,
Agriprocessors, Inc. the Postville, Iowa, producers of Aaron's Best,
Rubashkin, and other kosher meat, chicken and turkey brands, failed 3
separate USDA testings for salmonella, the virulent bacteria that is
the leading cause of food-borne illness in the US.

This puts Agriprocessors in the worst 15% of slaughterhouses in the
United States.

Al Eisner wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Geoff  Miller wrote:
> 
>> Sanity <Sanity@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Costco tried to intimidate their kosher hot dog supplier
>>> into lowering what they charge. They figured they had
>>> them by the b-lls.
>>
>> "B-lls?"  Is that one of those Jewish things, like "G-d?"
> 
> It stands for "bills", as in dollar bills.  After all, that's what matters.
>>
>> "Let me get this straight.  You want us to cut the ends
>> of our *d-cks* off?" -- Moses
> 
> "ducks"?  I don't get it.

Docks--it has something to do with pier pressure.

-- 
Evelyn C. Leeper
Nobody believes the official spokesman ... but everybody
trusts an unidentified source.  -Ron Nesen, 1977

On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:58:09 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Robert Klute wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
>>>>>>  an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
>>>>>> 			-- A.A. Gill
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there an explanation for this, or must it stand by itself?
>>>> 
>>>> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa on Exhibition
>>>> Road?
>>>
>>>Apparently not.  What city/state/country is it in?  I guess I do need an 
>>>explanation.  I understand about sheep insemination, but the rest of it is a 
>>>mystery...
>> 
>> That was supposed to be a Google/Yahoo search clue.  
>
>I figured I'd just get a mess of references to your sig :-(
>

not my sig.  I'm just a kibbutzer.

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article <a7frl.85388$2h5.54740@newsfe11.iad>,
>  The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Rod Speed wrote:
> 
>> > If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with sharks.
>> 
>> Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to
>> eat it back.
> 
> ObPedantic:  Sharks generally do not eat people.  However, they have 
> poor vision.  When they see a surfboarder in an attractive black wet 
> suit, they think "seal".  Seals have a thick layer of fat under their 
> black skin, which keeps them warm, as mammals like to do.  In addition, 
> they hang out near the surface, like surfboarders, as both breath air.  
> Sharks like to take a big bite on the seal, and then retreat so the seal 
> can't fight back.  Once the seal has weakened sufficiently from the 
> bite, the shark can finish their meal at their leisure.  Even though 
> sharks don't see well, they have an excellent sense of taste.  As soon 
> as they bite a surfboarder, they discover that there is no thick fat 
> layer, and the "skin" tastes like rubber.
> 
> So, there are shark bites, but many people live through them because the 
> shark just isn't interested in eating some scrawny human with rubber 
> skin.

Come on, get real, we all saw 'Jaws'.  One bite is enough!

-- 
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
  Olympics:  even if you win, you're still retarded."

The Real Bev wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> josejarvie@ssnet.net wrote
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts,
>>>>>> sweetbreads, and liver.
>>
>>>>> No ears or snouts?  Wait, I guess cows don't have snouts.  Noses,
>>>>> maybe.  No noses?  What's the rule?
>>
>>>> They are made of cow lips and udder stuff.
>>
>>> Grind 'em up fine and you can't tell the difference!
>>
>>> I've eaten fish maws and hog maws and am here to tell about it.  My
>>> grandma made pickled heart and pigs' feet and souse and lived to be
>>> 90.
>>
>>> What are we, wusses?  If it doesn't eat us we can eat it!
>>
>> If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with
>> sharks.

> Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to eat it back.

Thats why you eat it before it gets a chance to eat you, stupid. 

Sanity wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message 
> news:EIDql.13891$D32.1260@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Click on "http://www.petitiononline.com/costcohd/petition.html"
>>
>>
>> To:  Costco CEO
>>
>> Kosher hot dogs and polish sausages have been a tradition at the Price 
>> Club and Costco snack bars since the corporation was formed.
>>
>> Now, in a misguided cost-saving measure, Costco has removed kosher hot 
>> dogs and polish sausages from their snack bar menu and replaced them with 
>> a far inferior non-kosher product.
>>
>> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the 
>> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the 
>> extra cost of a superior product.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The Undersigned
>>
>>
> 
> Costco tried to intimidate their kosher hot dog supplier into lowering what 
> they charge. They figured they had them by the b-lls. The company stuck to 
> their price and Costco switched to an unkosher vendor.  Many, many people 
> are complaining to Costco. 
> 
> 
Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as 
well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they 
can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food 
the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:

> Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as 
> well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they 
> can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food 
> the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)

I was in a BJ's in Florida (we don't have them where I live) and they 
still had Hebrew National.

On Mar 4, 11:52 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> aemeijers wrote:
> > Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as
> > well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they
> > can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food
> > the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)
>
> I was in a BJ's in Florida (we don't have them where I live) and they
> still had Hebrew National.

As far as I can tell, there are no BJ's west of Atlanta

<spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:c8e77f80-10de-41e8-b98a-4f4995c90ce5@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 4, 11:52 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> aemeijers wrote:
> > Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as
> > well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they
> > can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food
> > the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)
>
> I was in a BJ's in Florida (we don't have them where I live) and they
> still had Hebrew National.

>As far as I can tell, there are no BJ's west of Atlanta

I once got a BJ in California 

spamtrap1888@gmail.com wrote:

> As far as I can tell, there are no BJ's west of Atlanta

Wow, that's too easy.

We do have BJ's brew pubs out in California.

On Mar 4, 12:28 pm, "Sanity" <San...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c8e77f80-10de-41e8-b98a-4f4995c90ce5@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 4, 11:52 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > aemeijers wrote:
> > > Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as
> > > well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they
> > > can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food
> > > the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)
>
> > I was in a BJ's in Florida (we don't have them where I live) and they
> > still had Hebrew National.
> >As far as I can tell, there are no BJ's west of Atlanta
>
> I once got a BJ in California

Are you a Hebrew National?

On Mar 4, 12:52 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> spamtrap1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > As far as I can tell, there are no BJ's west of Atlanta
>
> Wow, that's too easy.

You're an exception; I'm pretty sure you are a Hebrew National.
>
> We do have BJ's brew pubs out in California.

BJ's and brewpubs, hot chicken wings,
These are a few of my favorite things.

Sanity wrote:
> "Sqwertz" <swertz@cluemail.compst> wrote in message 
> news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>> How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
> 
> No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef.  You don't 
> want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers.

More tabloid-style propaganda.  Beef hot dogs are made the exact same as 
non-Kosher beef hot dogs.

-sw

Karen wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:38 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Floor sweepings, apparently.  There's probably a reason we don't want to know.
>> I don't worry about soy protein as long as it doesn't taste like soy.
> 
> Is a kosher meatpacking facility any cleaner than a non-kosher
> meatpacking facility?
> 
> Or is a non-kosher hot dog maker any less clean than one that is
> kosher?
> 
> We accept some of these as true without really knowing what happens in
> a meatpacking place in the first place.

Meat processing plants are extremely clean, kosher or not.  They are 
staffed by the same non-kosher workers and are held to the same 
cleanliness standards set forth by various agencies.

Meat packing facilities are another story.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> Sanity wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" <swertz@cluemail.compst> wrote in message 
>> news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>>> How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
>>
>> No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef.  You 
>> don't want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers.
> 
> More tabloid-style propaganda.  Beef hot dogs are made the exact same as 
> non-Kosher beef hot dogs.

Possibly, although more parts of the cow can be used in non-kosher hot dogs.

-- 
Evelyn C. Leeper
Nobody believes the official spokesman ... but everybody
trusts an unidentified source.  -Ron Nesen, 1977

On Mar 5, 8:42 am, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > Sanity wrote:
> >> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compst> wrote in message
> >>news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> >>> How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
>
> >> No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef.  You
> >> don't want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers.
>
> > More tabloid-style propaganda.  Beef hot dogs are made the exact same as
> > non-Kosher beef hot dogs.
>
> Possibly, although more parts of the cow can be used in non-kosher hot dogs.

Only because removing the forbidden fats and sinews is so much
trouble.

Considering the prices people will pay for Kobe beef, it might be
worthwhile to process kosher filets and T-bones.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:58:35 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888@gmail.com wrote:

>On Mar 5, 8:42�am, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>> > Sanity wrote:
>> >> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compst> wrote in message
>> >>news:goh4kk$smb$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> >>> How is a kosher dog automatically superior to a non-kosher hot dog?
>>
>> >> No one said it is superior but all kosher hot dogs are 100% beef. �You
>> >> don't want to know what non-kosher dogs use as fillers.
>>
>> > More tabloid-style propaganda. �Beef hot dogs are made the exact same as
>> > non-Kosher beef hot dogs.
>>
>> Possibly, although more parts of the cow can be used in non-kosher hot dogs.
>
>Only because removing the forbidden fats and sinews is so much
>trouble.

The beef in Kosher hot dogs must also meet the health requirements -
clear lungs and organs - and have all blood removed, in addition to
having the veins, arteries, tendons, glands, and membranes removed.  The
sciatic nerve must be removed, if the hindquarter is used, in deference
to Jacob.

The Real Bev  <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:

[to Robert Klute]

>> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa
>> on Exhibition Road?

> Apparently not.  What city/state/country is it in?  I guess
> I do need an explanation.  I understand about sheep insem-
> ination, but the rest of it is a mystery...


A.A. Gill is a restaurant critic for the Sunday (London)
Times.  He's an incredibly talented writer, and his reviews
are always interesting and usually very funny.  

In a nutshell, Gill writes about food in much the same way
that his Times colleague, Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson,
writes about cars.  (He's also a television critic.)  I read
his columns faithfully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.A._Gill

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ca8ns



Geoff

--
"The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
 an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
			-- A.A. Gill

Karen wrote:
> On Mar 2, 9:39 pm, d...@sonic.net ((null)) wrote:
>>  - New dogs are 10% heavier and longer ("1/4 Pound Plus")
> 
> This part doesn't make me want to have a hotdog for lunch. Hot dogs,
> like a taco, or something, are best for lunch when minimal,
> simplistic, not so much like a big meal.

Bite off the protruding ends of the dog and spit them out.  Viola - it's 
now 20% lighter.

-sw