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Article #1044Re: government schools are now prisons
From: Roger
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:20
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:20
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They could have done this raid in a private school too. "rex" <rexy@ij.net> wrote in message news:3fb64961_6@corp.newsgroups.com... > As an attorney, I believe that government schools should be unconstitutional > under the Fourth Amendment ban of unreasonable searches. The recent > police-state raid in Goose Creek, South Carolina is another in the growing > list of proofs (with more at http://rexcurry.net). > > Government schools have a special exemption under the 4th Amendment, a > lowered standard that promotes police-state raids. A raid was caught on > videotape when gun-toting police burst into a high school, ordering students > to lie flat on their stomachs in hall ways as they searched for drugs on > Nov. 7, 2003. Police handcuffed anyone who apparently didn't comply quickly > enough. The tape showed police waving their guns and searching lockers. > > Worse still, the media reports that the school maintains constant video > surveillance of students through various cameras available to police. > > During my legal career, parents have asked me if it is wise (or > constitutional) for government to control everyone's education. > > Government schools create milquetoasts in the same way that Cuban schools > create socialists. That is why parents leave their own children in > government schools with constant video surveillance and police-state > tactics. Government schools in the U.S. are different only in degree from > schools in the former U.S.S.R. > > The 4th amendment should be improved to specifically include "schools" with > the same high standard given to homes. Of course, the only real solution is > to end government schools. Many parents have already rescued their children > from government schools in favor of the many better alternatives. > > The U.S. did not have government schools when the Fourth (and First) > Amendment was written. If the authors of the Constitution had foreseen the > government's education monstrosity then the Fourth Amendment would have > included government schools, and the First Amendment would have banned > Congress from the establishment of religion and education. > > The Constitution should be amended to include "education" next to > "religion." The separation of school and state is as important as the > separation of church and state. And for the same ideological reasons. The > proposed constitutional amendment is discussed in detail at > http://rexcurry.net . > > Even if an excuse could be made for the initial creation of some government > schools, their ongoing existence is proof of their ongoing failure to > educate people to handle their own (or their childrens') educations without > government schools. > > The Post And Courier newspaper in Charleston reports that Goose Creek high > school is one of the largest in the state with 2,760 students. It has an > academic reputation as one of the Low country's best. But that doesn't show > from the subservient comments of the students and parents. > > The media reported that "the commando-style raid has parents questioning the > wisdom of police tactics." It is sad that no media reported that the raid > has parents questioning the wisdom of government schools. And that is more > proof that government schools are dangerous and must end. > > A media outlet reported that a parent said "I was just upset knowing they > had guns put to their head and a K9 was barking at them and about to bite > somebody. It was awful." Only through years of government schooling can a > parent say such a statement and not announce that she is withdrawing her > student from government schools. She did not even question the > constitutionality of government schools per se. > > As if that weren't bad enough, the media reports that parents and students > are already aware, and have done nothing about, the school's constant video > surveillance available to police. The paper quoted a law enforcement officer > as saying that he watched school surveillance tapes from four days that > showed students congregating under various cameras, allegedly to avoid being > filmed. "They know where the cameras are. If they stand directly under them, > the camera's don't look directly down," the law enforcement officer told a > paper. > > The 4th amendment states "The right of the people to be secure in their > persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and > seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon > probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly > describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be > seized." > > Police didn't find any criminals in the armed sweep nor any drugs. Goose > Creek police and school administrators defended the draconian measures as > necessary for crime prevention. > > For other reasons why government schools are unconstitutional see > > http://rexcurry.net > > and > > http://members.ij.net/rex/schoolsmain.html > > (For more ideas on liberty and libertarianism see http://members.ij.net/rex > and http://rexcurry.net from Rex Curry at rexy@ij.net or > ecurry@interaccess.net or rexatious@hotmail.com). > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f9e27,f2980062357ae6a X-Google-Attributes: gidf9e27,public X-Google-Thread: fb626,f2980062357ae6a X-Google-Attributes: gidfb626,public X-Google-Thread: 10dabe,f2980062357ae6a X-Google-Attributes: gid10dabe,public X-Google-Thread: 10b9bd,f2980062357ae6a X-Google-Attributes: gid10b9bd,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-15 15:21:12 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr25.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!b0138173!not-for-mail From: "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: misc.education,alt.politics.usa.constitution,talk.politics.libertarian,ab.politics References: <3fb64961_6@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: government schools are now prisons Lines: 122 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <2xytb.23659$jL1.20891@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.163.30.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr25.news.prodigy.com 1068938430 ST000 64.163.30.227 (Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:20:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:20:30 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OH]KRTWG]B^SSVDYLJJ\OPLI[B]NQHYILA]T]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJFNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]MWHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:20:30 GMT