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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message 
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> "Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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>>>>Nobody is currently teaching ebonics, nor was there ever a proposal that
>>>>it be taught as a separate course. The controversy has been that some
>>>>school districts have proposed teaching other courses IN ebonics.
>>
>>The problem with that is that by the time about a year goes by for anyone 
>>to
>>learn "first year ebonics" the language of ebonics will have significantly
>>CHANGED.
>
> As I said, nobody is learning "first year ebonics", since nobody is
> teaching it.

I haven't read the entire LONGwinded thread, heh.  Just saw this post from 
you.  I know nobody's teaching it.  But how could anyone teach a language 
that changes so fast?
>
>>That is the nature of ebonics.  By the way, I had no problem
>>understanding Tupac.  However, the society at large did not understand him
>>and well - a bunch of people got branded criminals due to that
>>misunderstanding.  But ebonics today is not the same as the ebonics of
>>Tupac.  The language changes FAST.
>
> The words may change, especially the slang.  The underlying
> grammatical structure does not change fast; the sorts of language
> differences that make learning standard English almost like learning a
> foreign language for someone whose home language is Black English
> Vernacular - those don't change.

I often hear ebonics and I also often hear Fesus Haggin speak - and I have 
no problem understanding either slang.   In fact, heh, I find that the two 
have a hell of a lot in common in some strange ways.  Both are highly 
metaphoric.  I do have a hard time understanding proper English when it's 
spoken from people from the deep south - I mean, I have to ask them to 
repeat themselves a lot.  The accent is just too thick.  I notice something 
too.  Referring to regular English and regional accents, Blacks used to 
speak what I called "southern."  Now they kinda speak like we used to speak 
in Central NJ.  LOL. I mean, their accent is the same as MINE.  (oh lord).

I can't grasp how speaking these slangs would be genocide - unless someone 
thinks that hillbillies are the victims of genocide?  I have no clue why 
"US" would tell me to get out more or whatever bs he posted - I don't deal 
with ANYONE from the point of view of the arm chair.  I know what I know 
from the School of Hard Knocks - otherwise known as:  Wassa Matta U.  Ha ha.

I think I can see what the anti-ebonics gang is bitching about, tho.  NO ONE 
ever thought to call Festus Haggin hillbilly talk by some bs name, LIKE 
"ebonics."  BEV is legit - it's being studied by real linguists because they 
can see HOW a language really evolves (one that's spoken, not written with a 
book of rules).  There are people (linguists) in England, however, that are 
studying this type of thing - and even collecting new English words spoken 
by people in parts of the UK, like Ireland and such.
>
> lojbab
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