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Desmond and Molly Jones wrote:
> In article <VtDni.9760$zA4.30@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,  Rudy
> Canoza at rudy-canoza@excite.com says...
> > Desmond and Molly Jones wrote:
> > > In article <1184786861.900793.235660@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Pubkeybreaker at pubkeybreaker@aol.com says...

> > >> The people living in the inner city, on the other hand, are poor
> > Technically, it's because their parents lack
> > education...and good work habits...and salable job skills.
>

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> Oh boy, it's the old argument that poverty is the poor people's fault.

No.

I suggest that you read

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/july-august-magazine-contents/abolish-the-sat


What is the primary difference between those living in the inner city
and those
living in the suburbs?  It isn't ethnicity, skin color, religion,
country of origin, or
other social factors.

The answer is simple:  those living in the suburbs are the
*intelligent* people within
our society.  These people are intelligent.  Intelligent people value
education and therefore
educate themselves.  Their skills enable them to have jobs that are
high paying because
those jobs demand skills.  I won't debate how much of intelligence is
genetic and how much
is social.  However, children of people living in the suburbs are more
intelligent because
they both inheret their parents genes and because their parents push
them.

The ones living in the inner city are less intelligent.  They do not
have a positive attitude toward
education or a positive work ethic because of this.

Poor people are poor not through any fault of their own, but rather
because they are on the
left side of the intelligence curve.  They lack education and they
lack skills precisely because
they lack intelligence.

This isn't anyone's "fault".  It is just that this is the way nature
works.


> They, they, they, they. You lump everyone in the city as one big
> "they" as if country and suburban kids are somehow more gifted and
> bright just because of where they are.

Not because of "where they are",  but because intelligent people tend
to
migrate out of the inner city.  Those living in the suburbs are more
intelligent
and they motivate their kids to educate themselves and because kids of
intelligent people tend to be more intelligent.  They *ARE* more
gifted.

People in the suburbs ARE more intelligent than those in the inner
city.



>
> >
> > The students don't give a shit because their parents
> > don't give a shit.  Money spent trying to instruct
> > these animals is an unmitigated waste.
>
> Now that's a good one "Money spent trying to instruct
> these animals is an unmitigated waste."

I agree that the comment about "animals" is hostile and uncalled for.
We should *try* to educate everyone.  People can then either rise or
fall
on their own merits and motivation.  We should provide equal
*opportunity*
for all.  But (generally speaking) stupid people do not do much with
the
opportunities they are given.

We need to give people and hand UP,  but not a hand OUT.

> > > Education and teachers are there so that kids *DO* give a shit.
> > NO.  It is not the teachers' job to motivate students.
> >   Students need to arrive in class *already* motivated.

Yes.  But for those who are willing to learn, a good teacher CAN make
a dull subject interesting.
>
> My, you are such an expert on the subject. Where did you get your PhD
> in Education?

This remark is uncalled for,

(1) It is an attack on the poster, rather than the ideas under
discussion.
(2) One does not need a degree in education to apply common sense.


> > > Put two and two together and you can see *why* kids in poor schools
> > > don't give a shit. They are treated like shit.
> >
> > They don't give a shit because their parents are shit

Their parents are NOT shit.  Their parents are simply unintelligent.
Being below average in intelligence is a HANDICAP in today's society.
We should not denigrate people because of a handicap.

Their parents do however, have bad attitudes.

And I don't know how to correct this. It is in some sense,  "just
biology".