🚀 go-pugleaf

Barney, these people don't want to hear the truth.  When they do hear 
it, they say it is all lies.

But they have been lied to for so long they cannot recognize the truth. 
  It id part of out Eurocentruc and Americacentric culture.  We want to 
believe everything we have been taught as fact.  It starts in kindergarten.



Barney Lyon wrote:
> Uncle Samuel <Stars@Stripes.USA> wrote in message news:<0bugd.2052250$yk.339928@news.easynews.com>...
> 
>>�      Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber.  (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: 
>>Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> 
> 
> The rest of your list snipped -
> 
> Why are you trying to mislead these good people?
> 
> All of the weapons that you list here that Kerry voted against were at
> Dick Cheney's and George H.W. Bush's request.  Did you know that?
> 
> When Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense under Bush 41, these were
> the weapons' systems were what he called an end to.  It was to be a
> "peace dividend," from the end of the Cold War.
> 
> Numerous variants of this message claiming that Senator John Kerry of
> Masschusetts "voted to kill every military appropriation for the
> development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988" have
> been circulating since at least February 2004. The message's
> implication � that Senator Kerry distinctly and specifically voted to
> kill upwards of a dozen different weapons systems � is inaccurate and
> grossly misleading, however.
> 
> A 22 February 2004 Republican National Committee
> (RNC-http://www.gop.com/RNCResearch/Read.aspx?ID=3936) research
> briefing includes the list of weapons systems found in this message
> and citations that purportedly support the claim that Senator Kerry
> voted to kill each one. But all the citations stem from votes on three
> Congressional bills, none of which were about a specific weapons
> system or group of weapons systems.
> The three votes cited � regarding S. 3189 (1990), H.R. 5803 (1990),
> and H.R. 2126 (1995) � were bills covering fiscal year Department of
> Defense appropriations, all of which Senator Kerry voted against. (Two
> of those three votes were not technically on defense appropriations
> per se, but on House-Senate conference committee reports for defense
> appropriations bills.) As the text of a typical defense appropriations
> bill shows, such bills cover the entire governmental expenditures for
> defense in a given fiscal year and encompass thousands of items
> totalling hundreds of billions of dollars � including everything from
> the cost of developing, testing, purchasing, and maintaining weapons
> and other equipment to personnel expenses (salaries, medical benefits,
> tuition assistance, reenlistment bonuses), medical research, hazardous
> waste cleanup, facilities maintenance, and a whole host of other
> disbursements. Members of Congress ultimately vote "yea" or "nay" on
> an entire appropriations bill; they don't pick and choose to approve
> some items and reject others.
> Senators and Representatives might vote against a defense
> appropriations bill for any numbers of reasons � because they object
> to the presence or absence of a particular item, because they feel
> that the government is proposing to spend too much or too little money
> on defense, or anything in-between. Maintaining, as is the case here,
> that a Senator who voted "nay" on one year's defense appropriations
> bill therefore voted to "kill" a variety of specific weapons systems
> is like claiming that any Congressman who has ever voted against a
> defense appropriations bill has therefore also voted to abolish the
> U.S. military.
> The inclusion of some of the items listed here is all the more
> ridiculous given that they were weapons systems that a previous
> Republican administration advocated eliminating. For example, it was
> Dick Cheney himself, in his capacity as Secretary of Defense under
> President George H.W. Bush, who testified before the House Armed
> Services Committee on 13 August 1989 that he had recommended
> cancelling the AH-64 Apache Helicopter program:
> 
> 
> The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me
> that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward. AH-64 .
> . . forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all
> three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that
> we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6
> billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five
> years.
> 
> (Note that this testimony took place over six years before Senator
> Kerry supposedly voted to "kill" the AH-64.)
> Likewise, on 1 February 1992, Secretary of Defense Cheney complained
> to the Senate Armed Services Committee that he was being "forced" to
> spend money on unneeded weapons such as the M-1, the F-14, and the
> F-16:
> 
> Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and
> sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend
> money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight
> budgets and new requirements . . . You've directed me to buy more
> M-1s, F-14s, and F-16s � all great systems . . . but we have enough of
> them.
> 
> And President Bush noted in his 1992 State of the Union address that
> he was phasing out several weapons systems, including the B-2, to
> "reflect the changes of the new era":
> 
> Two years ago, I began planning cuts in military spending that
> reflected the changes of the new era. But now, this year, with
> imperial communism gone, that process can be accelerated. Tonight I
> can tell you of dramatic changes in our strategic nuclear force. These
> are actions we are taking on our own because they are the right thing
> to do. After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement,
> we will shut down further production of the B-2 bombers. We will
> cancel the small ICBM program. We will cease production of new
> warheads for our sea-based ballistic missiles. We will stop all new
> production of the Peacekeeper missile. And we will not purchase any
> more advanced cruise missiles.
> 
> Kerry voted against the Apache helicopter, it's true. Secretary of
> Defense Dick Cheney also proposed that the Apache helicopter program
> be canceled.
> 
> From Factcheck.com:
> As Cheney told the House Armed Services Committee on Aug. 13, 1989:
> 
> Cheney: The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended
> to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward,
> AH-64; . . . I forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't
> have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I
> recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would
> save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the
> next five years.
> 
> So by the Bush Administration's own criteria, Dick Cheney would also
> be "weak on defense."
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp
> 
> 
> Republicans can't win an election by telling the truth to the American
> people, so they lie, distort, mislead.  Republicans don't respect
> American citizens.