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Article #3039Re: Gap Between Groids & Humans Can Never Be Closed
From: arminius
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:28
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 23:28
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"ReXX" <rexx@dev.null> wrote in message news:150992df6049fe3923750d5e0131a874@msgid.frell.theremailer.net... > > Salient excerpts from: > > http://www.vdare.com/sailer/no_excuses.htm > > October 26, 2003 > > No Excuse For No Excuses > By Steve Sailer > > Within the claustrophobic limitations imposed by its title phrase, the > new book No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning, by > conservative Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and his wife, > Manhattan Institute think-tanker Abigail, contains much to praise. It > offers detailed documentation of the size of the racial gap in school > performance and of all the failed attempts to close it. > > As the Thernstroms summarize starkly: > > ". Blacks nearing the end of their high school education > perform a little worse than white eighth-graders in both > reading and U.S. history, and a lot worse in math and > geography. In math and geography, indeed, they know no more > than whites in the seventh grade. Hispanics do only a little > better than African-Americans. In reading and U.S. history, > their NAEP scores in their senior year of high school are a few > points above those of whites in eighth grade. In math and > geography, they are a few points lower." > > [...] > > The Thernstroms' excuse: black kids watch a huge amount of television. > So presumably they are more likely to have the TV on while they are > doing their homework. > > Maybe. But there's a much simpler explanation for why white kids spend > no more time on their homework than black and Hispanic kids, yet score > vastly higher on achievement tests: because they are, on average, > according to every one of the hundreds of IQ studies, smarter. > > The Thernstroms don't want to touch that tar baby with a ten-foot > pole. "The racial gap is not an IQ story; this is not a book about > innate intelligence," they assert on p. 4. They never return to > provide any evidence to back up this audacious claim. > > In fact, on pp. 130-132 (no doubt beyond where most reviewers read) > the Thernstroms actually prove it is largely "an IQ story." They > write: > > "The racial gap in academic achievement appears very early in > life - a fact that we have not touched upon in earlier chapters. > But clear racial differences in intellectual development are > evident by the time children first set foot in school. For > example, black five- and six- year olds in the Children of the > National Longitudinal Survey of Youth . scored a full standard > deviation below their white peers on the Peabody Picture > Vocabulary Test, a standard gauge of intellectual development > for children before the age at which they can read. [O]nly one- > sixth of African Americans performed as well as or better than > the average white child." > > [...] > > Unfortunately, the Thernstroms don't tell us exactly how large the gap > is between whites and American-born Hispanics. So let's do some rough > math. We know the average gap for all Hispanics, immigrant and non- > immigrant, is four grades. Let's say those born in America score 1.4 > grades better than immigrants--a generous reading of the Thernstroms' > hint above about immigrants lagging "at least a full grade." And let's > say half of Hispanics are immigrants and half are American-born. Then, > the American-born Hispanics would still trail whites by 3.3 grade > levels. > > That would be equal to two-thirds of the notorious white-black gap. > > Of course, it would be nice to close the racial gap in academic > achievement. But nobody has any idea how to do it. > > ********************************** > > Now for analysis of the article by VNN > http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/ > > > As our own Jack Halliday put it, all these conservative-liberal > arguments that racial differences are cultural are no less absurd than > claiming that black skin itself is a result of social conditioning. > Talking about testing gap as solvable problem makes as much sense as > talking about skin-color gap as solvable problem -- exact same > argument. Writing about "closing" the testing gap between blacks and > whites is as absurd as writing about closing the speed gap between > humans and cheetahs. Which, to be sure, it is not hard to imagine > Harvard sociologists doing. Can't you see them out there, stopwatches > on breast, picking through scrub and looking under rocks, trying to > find the mysterious source of this land speed differential. > > Whites must repeat to themselves, over and over again: Whites are not > guilty. Whites built the world. Whites must exist in their own White- > controlled space, or they will disappear. The people denying them that > existence are the jews. > > But really, isn't it amazing that someone could write a multiple- > hundred-page book and utterly avoid the most obvious explanation, that > blacks have genetically lower IQs? Only in AmeriKwa, where the truth > doesn't pay. America has become a land that salutes the naked emperor > and gibbers to its neighbors about his fine new clothes. AmeriKwa > really ought to sue Chuck E. Cheese for stealing it's slogan: "Where a > kid can be a kid." White Americans have forfeited through inaction the > right to be adults in the land their forefathers created. The price of > regaining that right is the elimination of the jews. Sailer's comments > are intelligent, but as always, he's as afraid in his own way as the > Thernstroms he criticizes. Fact is, Steve, we don't need niggers and > Mexicans around at all. Fact is, as you know but would never write, > Thomas Jefferson said overtly that niggers loosed on White America > would end up destroying it, just as they destroyed Haiti when they got > on top of the French back in his time. > I am surprised that there are still a few educators who believe that more training, more teachers, etc, will actually make much differance as to the racial gap in abilities. A friend of mine, a highly praised Prof. of anthropology, said that serious scientists don't even find the subject worth debating. The gap will remain. Hank
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