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4 total messages Started by Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:00
A case to make you think
#2342
Author: Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:00
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This is being posted to both the Emergency services and Student Nurse
groups, so those of you who don't normally ride ambulances, please
think like you are on some outside of the hospital training.....

You are called to the apartment of a 25 year old white female who has
recently delivered a baby without problems. Pregnancy was normal, and
both mother and child came home in three days. Mother has been breast
feeding 10 minutes each side every 2 hours since discharge 2 weeks
ago. You were called by the visiting nurse from the local Health
Department who was checking on the new mother. The mother is somewhat
distraught at the time of your arrival.

Mother is complaining about right upper quadrant pain which has
increased over the last week. She has also noted easy bruising. Her
appetite is still down and mother has lost about 15 pounds since
birth. She complains of puffiness in the face today.

Vital signs: B/P 130/86 left, 128/78 right, pulse 100, temp 100.4,
resp 20 and shallow- she states it hurts to breath.

Primary and secondary assessment are completed, indicating mild facial
swelling, Pupils are equal round and reactive to light. Eyes track
well and together. Neck showes no nodes, masses, venous distension or
nuchal signs.

Lungs are clear with good air movement. Heart sounds are moderately
hyper dynamic, but regular rate and rythem with a grade II/VI murmur
heard best at the lower left sternal border.

Abdomen is parous, soft, with reduced muscle tone. There is diffuse
tenderness most impressively over the right upper quadrant and the
supra pubic area. OB pad is in place, and shows a scant amount of
bloody discharge.

Extremities show no clubbing, cyanosis or edema. 

Skin shows no jaundice, but multple small bruises are noted.

Question 1: What other information do you want to get from the mother
or the visiting nurse?

Question 2: How fast do you want to get this patient to the hospital?

Question 3: What would your first treatment be?

Question 4: (for advanced credit...) What is your differential list of
problems (diagnosis list) at this time.

Hint: When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, but occasionally
zebras will show up.

Please respond by email if you think you have the diagnosis list,
otherwise feel free to post to the group.


Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
Krin135@AOL.com KC5EVN
"Reckless, Hell! I hit jus' where I was aimin'"
   "Bubba Shot the Jukebox!" Mark Chestnut, 1995
Re: A case to make you think
#2343
Author: Paul Canning
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 00:00
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On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:47:41 GMT, Krin135@AOL.com (Charles S. Krin, DO
FAAFP) wrote:


>You are called to the apartment of a 25 year old white female who has
>recently delivered a baby without problems. Pregnancy was normal, and
>both mother and child came home in three days. Mother has been breast
>feeding 10 minutes each side every 2 hours since discharge 2 weeks
>ago. You were called by the visiting nurse from the local Health
>Department who was checking on the new mother. The mother is somewhat
>distraught at the time of your arrival.
>
>Mother is complaining about right upper quadrant pain which has
>increased over the last week. She has also noted easy bruising. Her
>appetite is still down and mother has lost about 15 pounds since
>birth. She complains of puffiness in the face today.
>
>Vital signs: B/P 130/86 left, 128/78 right, pulse 100, temp 100.4,
>resp 20 and shallow- she states it hurts to breath.
>
>Primary and secondary assessment are completed, indicating mild facial
>swelling, Pupils are equal round and reactive to light. Eyes track
>well and together. Neck showes no nodes, masses, venous distension or
>nuchal signs.
>
>Lungs are clear with good air movement. Heart sounds are moderately
>hyper dynamic, but regular rate and rythem with a grade II/VI murmur
>heard best at the lower left sternal border.
>
>Abdomen is parous, soft, with reduced muscle tone. There is diffuse
>tenderness most impressively over the right upper quadrant and the
>supra pubic area. OB pad is in place, and shows a scant amount of
>bloody discharge.
>
>Extremities show no clubbing, cyanosis or edema. 
>
>Skin shows no jaundice, but multple small bruises are noted.
>
>Question 1: What other information do you want to get from the mother
>or the visiting nurse?

Has the baby been assessed and are there any similar symptoms?
Is there a partner?
Is the mother on any form of medication? e.g. Aspirin or other
anticoagulant.

>Question 2: How fast do you want to get this patient to the hospital?
Immediate admission.

>Question 3: What would your first treatment be?
Give oxygen via facemask, encourage controlled breathing.
Obtain venous access.

>Question 4: (for advanced credit...) What is your differential list of
>problems (diagnosis list) at this time.
? Diaphrammatic hernia.
? Thoracic aneurysm.
? Appendicitis possibly ruptured.
? Trauma/physical abuse.

>Hint: When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, but occasionally
>zebras will show up.
>
>Please respond by email if you think you have the diagnosis list,
>otherwise feel free to post to the group.
>
>
>Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
>Krin135@AOL.com KC5EVN
>"Reckless, Hell! I hit jus' where I was aimin'"
>   "Bubba Shot the Jukebox!" Mark Chestnut, 1995
>

"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast." 
 Ace Rimmer. (RD)
Re: A case to make you think
#2344
Author: Charles S. Krin
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 00:00
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paul.canning@ukonline.co.uk (Paul Canning) wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:47:41 GMT, Krin135@AOL.com (Charles S. Krin, DO
>FAAFP) wrote:

inital post snipped
>>Question 1: What other information do you want to get from the mother
>>or the visiting nurse?

>Has the baby been assessed and are there any similar symptoms?
Baby is doing fine, and showing good weight gain.
>Is there a partner?
yes, would you like more information.
>Is the mother on any form of medication? e.g. Aspirin or other
>anticoagulant.
She takes Acetominophen for headaches

>>Question 2: How fast do you want to get this patient to the hospital?
>Immediate admission.
good
>>Question 3: What would your first treatment be?
>Give oxygen via facemask, encourage controlled breathing.
>Obtain venous access.
good
>>Question 4: (for advanced credit...) What is your differential list of
>>problems (diagnosis list) at this time.
>? Diaphrammatic hernia.
>? Thoracic aneurysm.
>? Appendicitis possibly ruptured.
>? Trauma/physical abuse.
only one of four even close. I've had some email responses already,
and have logged my responses with cc:s to myself to keep things
straight.

>"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast." 
> Ace Rimmer. (RD)

Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
KC5EVN Krin135@AOL.com
"Reckless, Hell! I hit just where I was aimin'"
"Bubba Shot the Jukebox," Mark Chestnut 1995
Re: A case to make you think
#2345
Author: Harry Murphy
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 00:00
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In article <5ct84c$oe4@news1.iamerica.net>, Krin135@AOL.com says...
>
>(case H&P snipped)
In addition to Dr. Canning's question list:
>
>Question 1: What other information do you want to get from the mother
>or the visiting nurse?

Has paroxysmal nocturnal dyspnea been noted?
Hx of bleeding disorders? (though that surely would have been 
mentioned...)
>
>Question 2: How fast do you want to get this patient to the hospital?
>
Rapid transport

>Question 3: What would your first treatment be?

Oxygen, high flow; venous access (after blood sample) with volume 
expander KVO for now, cardiac monitoring

>Question 4: (for advanced credit...) What is your differential list of
>problems (diagnosis list) at this time.

To Dr Cannings list, add: pulmonary embolus (even though S/S suggest a 
problem of clotting factors and vascular integrety)  Also: rule out 
disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC).  Longshot: CHF secondary 
to cardiomyopathy?

>Hint: When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, but occasionally
>zebras will show up.

*I'd* be concerned if I showed up on a run like that. Anxiously awaiting 
the dx and remainder of the case study...
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