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On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:45:21 GMT, vladd@best.com wrote:

>pre@mail.utexas.edu (Paul Erickson) wrote:
>
>(His usual load of you know what)
>
>Get a life Paul.  You make like you are a technician or something but
>I keep seeing posts where you fail to answer tech questions about the
>products you sell.  You REALY should put your real title after your
>posts as you are again misleading a lot of people on usenet.

Interesting... tell me, do you know how many layers the Hsing Tech
boards have compared to lets say, Holco's? And why the finish on the
PCB is a little rougher than other people's?  Better yet, as the tech
you're implicitly stating you are, tell us all how  it is that on some
M530s, if you rip the cache off and solder known fake/writeback cache
in its place, they still read 256k cache in the BIOS... very
interesting.

Really? What posts are those? And what is my real title I ask you?
And who am I misleading? Certainly not the PC Chips M520/M525 owners
who had a 30+ message-long complaint thread a short few months ago.
And what products do I sell?  Not the ones you think and not for who
you think. Notice there is a slight discrepancy between where I am,
and where whoever you're trying to associate me with, is. Something
like a geographic difference of oh, 4 or 5 states worth or so.
Whatever assumption you're trying to make, to shift the focus off the
product in question, is wrong.  Come visit me in Texas and see if I
sell what you think I'm selling, and whether it has anything to do
with net business or not.

You really should bother to spend $5 more in sourcing cost to give
your customers a better board.  Sound harsh? Good.  That's coming from
experience both as a consumer and a seller.  You're better off in the
long run.  I don't care who you source from, as long as you're not
putting PC Chips stuff in the hands of consumers. Sound personal? Yes
it is, between me and the manufacturer, not you or anyone else selling
their stuff.
I have never said any dealer was "EVIL" for selling their stuff, as
everyone in the industry loves the cheap prices. Hell, I believe you
can get the M520's with cache module for about $79-$81 now correct?
Who wouldn't be attracted by those kinds of reseller prices?
But by looking too hard at the margin you're shortchanging the
consumer.  Any company can make a mistake, which is why people on the
newsgroups are overreacting I feel, to things like fake cache. 
Sure it sucks.  But you don't realize that there was most likely a
dealer somewhere that had no idea that it was fake, who saw a cheap
price and the distributor who sold it to him swore up and down it was
a great board with real cache, etc. Who do you blame? 
It is companies who continue to sell regardless, that are a problem.

God forbid you should have to buy an Amptron, Chaintech, or FIC board
for a few bucks more and raise your price to the backbreaking $99-$105
dollar range.
Where you wont have to make up reasons to explain why it is PC Chips
suddenly comes out with VRE modules to retrofit their boards for
better Cyrix reliability.   Or as to why Tang Computer, very big a few
years ago and a huge seller of PC Chips stuff in the South and
Southeast, went chapter 11 to dodge nearly a million dollars of RMA
(Yes, PC Chips stuff) they were liable for.  They've reorganized now
into PC Max, same outfit, different name, same PC Chips merchandise.
Same mountainous RMA building up.  

If you think it is a personal thing between me and you or whoever,
you're wrong, no matter what you think.  I don't see a need for
consumers to save a couple of bucks up front and lose it down the road
in hassle.  Yes I'm biased.  I happen to be stuck with a PC Chips M520
in the very machine I type this message on.  It's working now because
I stuck a P5-166 in it instead of the 6x86-P166 which is now running
perfect in an Amptron 8800.  I dont get random hangs anymore.
So hell yeah I'm bitter.  Ever tried explaining away to your own dad
as to why the board you sold him in good conscience is crashing daily?
Don't think so.  I spent enough hours with those boards that I dont'
see the need for other people to go through that nonsense.   It is not
a personal vendetta against individual dealers, nor a suckerpunch to
create business for myself..

But if you want to say that I'm lying when I talk about my own father
having hangs with his board and CPU, that didn't disappear until I got
him a different brand board after trying 3 different new ones of the
same brand, And the 2 hangs a day I used to have myself.??  I'm lying
about my own father?
Come visit me and I will tattoo your head with what's left of the M525
I used to use.  The one that will probably still read 256k cache in
the BIOS after I bust it over your head..

How long have you dealt with PC Chips motherboards? Ever dealt with
their products from years ago, when they started the remarked/fake
cache trend on 486 boards?

Put out a troll message for all the PC Chips M530 owners whose boards
don't seem to want to expand to 512k no matter what cache modules they
try, or that don't seem to have any verifiable cache upon using
cachechk or any other cache-checking program.
That's only ONE of the funny quirks with them. The ones that work,
work. The ones that don't, come straight from hell.

So reply as you wish... if you want to take personal offense that is
your prerogative.  
    ________________________
    ____Paul R. Erickson____
__ARCLIGHT ENTERPRISES INC(DE)__
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++           
     Univ. of Texas/Austin
  Graduate School of Business
      MBA 1998  Marketing

"The meek shall inherit the earth only when
 we're good and done with it, and with them."
      -Fred Rexer, G.I.